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ben_young74
I did both, save personal details in my computer and wrote it manually. I afraid if I've trouble with my computer one day so I still have a back-up.

jambutty
Some may find this overkill, but this works for me :)

When I fist sign up, I print out all the filled in forms and store them in a 3 ring binder.
Then to keep them handy, I have a recipe box with the info from each site on a recipe card filed alphabetically, sitting on my desk.

Secured Roboform stores most of that stuff on my computer.

It ain't foolproof, but works most of the time :D
I think that my overkill trumps your overkill betsybee.

I have a word document that lists the HYIP’s, my user name and password that I am currently with.

The list also includes the referral URL’s.

Plus loads of other information like my email addresses and my web space URL’s.

When an HYIP goes down the data is transferred lower down the document to the ‘dead’ section.

This document is saved as earnings and also as earnings1 plus a copy is saved to a memory stick.

I have another word document named RoboForm and RoboForm1 that lists all the logging in details for HYIP’s etc including any withdrawal codes and secret questions etc.

When an HYIP goes down and the data is deleted from RoboForm it is then transferred lower down the document to the ‘dead’ section.

That’s not all. I have a spreadsheet set up to record all the details about my HYIP’s. Things like date joined, plan duration, how many days to date, how many days left, interest rate, payment terms etc and of course the logging in details etc.

My SS shows the running total of profits to date and some cells are colour coded to tell me about any outstanding withdrawals and other useful information. There is a dead section lower down.

This is saved as earnings and earnings1 with a copy in the memory stick.

I also have a spreadsheet to keep track of money in my various e-currency accounts and the logging in details etc for each payment processor are recorded there too.

These are saved as e-currency and e-currency1 with a copy in the memory stick.

As the two spreadsheets are updated they get saved as earnings/e-currency and before logging off and closing down my computer they get saved again as earnings1/e-currency1 and also to the memory stick.

Why so many copies you may ask. Security. It has happened in the past that for some inexplicable reason the first save got corrupted. So I always have a back-up even if it is out of date by a few entries.

I should also add that all this data is saved on my secondary hard drive and not where Windows wants it to go in C:

Most if not all viruses, Trojans etc target the C: drive.

betsybee
Yes, I concede. You win ! :D
I used to keep spreadsheets but time constraints have caused them to fall by the way side. And all the ' red" cells got to be depressing.

bluestone
I think that my overkill trumps your overkill betsybee.

I have a word document that lists the HYIP’s, my user name and password that I am currently with.

The list also includes the referral URL’s.

Plus loads of other information like my email addresses and my web space URL’s.

When an HYIP goes down the data is transferred lower down the document to the ‘dead’ section.

This document is saved as earnings and also as earnings1 plus a copy is saved to a memory stick.

I have another word document named RoboForm and RoboForm1 that lists all the logging in details for HYIP’s etc including any withdrawal codes and secret questions etc.

When an HYIP goes down and the data is deleted from RoboForm it is then transferred lower down the document to the ‘dead’ section.

That’s not all. I have a spreadsheet set up to record all the details about my HYIP’s. Things like date joined, plan duration, how many days to date, how many days left, interest rate, payment terms etc and of course the logging in details etc.

My SS shows the running total of profits to date and some cells are colour coded to tell me about any outstanding withdrawals and other useful information. There is a dead section lower down.

This is saved as earnings and earnings1 with a copy in the memory stick.

I also have a spreadsheet to keep track of money in my various e-currency accounts and the logging in details etc for each payment processor are recorded there too.

These are saved as e-currency and e-currency1 with a copy in the memory stick.

As the two spreadsheets are updated they get saved as earnings/e-currency and before logging off and closing down my computer they get saved again as earnings1/e-currency1 and also to the memory stick.

Why so many copies you may ask. Security. It has happened in the past that for some inexplicable reason the first save got corrupted. So I always have a back-up even if it is out of date by a few entries.

I should also add that all this data is saved on my secondary hard drive and not where Windows wants it to go in C:

Most if not all viruses, Trojans etc target the C: drive.

Jim,

I really couldn't imagine you go to this far extent to keep records.
Of course it is very good.
I just wonder whether it is worth all the time and trouble when profit expectation from HYIPs is limited.

I keep only a spreadsheet which I go back to LR Account to cross-check periodically.
When LR went into long downtime, I lost tract.
Worse, when LR returned, I was denied log-in into my LR account because of different location, different IP issue.
The situation remains not resolved for me. I don't know when LR will revert to multiple IPs access. LR's Support didn't reply my ticket.
I have a mess on hand.

jambutty
I’ve had my fair share of “red” cells betsybee but those are in the dead section so I don’t see them.

Surprisingly, bluestone, it takes little time to keep things up to date.

The Word documents are only changed when I join a new programme or leave one and that doesn’t happen every day.

The spreadsheets get updated as I access each HYIP to make a withdrawal and get paid.

Rockstar12345
Well i logged in Lr after a long time and i was asked for change in password and payment pin , this is the first time that sometime happened to me , did other also experience the same thing.

jambutty
Well i logged in Lr after a long time and i was asked for change in password and payment pin , this is the first time that sometime happened to me , did other also experience the same thing.
Yes and it will happen every two months.

Rockstar12345
Well was this change introduced in the upgrade they did now cos they did not do that before.

jambutty
Yes! It was.

bdsurf
I think many members will loss their account as it is not easy to remember new password always specially if you change it in every 2 months. A bad move from LR.

jambutty
This two monthly enforced change of passwords etc is an attempt to put the blame of hacked accounts onto account holders when the reality is probably a security flaw in the web site script, namely the API system.

murali603
Ya i also changed the password and log in pin number. I can't access my account without changing those details. They increased security for the users

murali603
Now liberty reserve is the most secured Payment Processor in the internet. They have lot of keys to log in so no one can hack our account. Remaining Alertpay and Pay pal has no such code

jambutty
Ya i also changed the password and log in pin number. I can't access my account without changing those details. They increased security for the users
Hello murali603,
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Back in the forum do a search for the programme. Once again just its name should be enough. If there is a thread or threads for that programme you will be shown a list of them.

Good Luck!

Jim
(jambutty)

eddielkk
Although it is a good moves with enforcing password expiration after 2 months, but i think it will really make trouble for us members, which we have to think of new password every 2 months and the password cannot be repeat again. I really don't know i can still remember my password or not if it gone for several changes later.

Rockstar12345
Yeah i have to write that password and payment pin down to remember it , it really is a bad move by them , hope they can go back to their earlier system.

bluestone
I wrote to LR Support as follows:

I am currently out of my home country. I have not been able to login for more than 2 weeks. Please let me know when will you allow multiple IPs access for members' login.
Many thanks.

Their reply:

Dear customer.
Please provide us with the following information if you wish to restore the access to your account: account number, email address, date of birth, answer to the security question and the balance on your account. We will contact you with further information.
Remember you now can disable the IP security option from within your settings option in your main account.
Thank You.

I lost tract of my account balance. I am in a lot of trouble.
In an earlier reply to my ticket, they stated they would revert to "multiple IPs access soon".
I cannot understand why they won't answer my question straight.
Are they not going to revert to "multiple IPs access".

cleeon
bluestone, maybe you can send them your last transaction details which sent to your email from LR auto response instead of amount of your account balance.

i think for the other like your email address, date of birth, etc wouldn't made difficult for you.

Rockstar12345
Well Lr dont have good support , so i dont think you would be able to open your account until you go back to your country then you can change to settings to allow multiple ip's to access the account , btw email notification is off , i received payment from ere but no email.

lemon_1800
@bluestone. That is the problem I'm also facing with LR and PP. Their customer supports are too bad and they do always send the same automated response. I suggest you try to contact them in phone. I don't think you can solve out your issue through e-mail.

bluestone
Thank you cleeon, Rockstar and lemon, for your suggestion.

Cleeon,
I haven't received LR's notification of transaction for sometime already.
Even if I have receive one and send them, it is not exactly what they want from me. I don't know whether they will entertain me for giving different detail.

Rockstar,
Yes. I thought about waiting till I return to my home country to login. But, it will be weeks from now. Besides, my WiFi at home is also dynamic IP. I don't know whether by chance I could get that same IP to login to LR.

Lemon,
Yes.. I tried to connect to their live-support. But, I got timed-out all the times. So, I give up.

LR Support ever wrote me that the single-IP was a temporary measure, and they will revert to multiple-IPs soon. The 'soon' turns out to be indefinite wait. I am hoping they revert to multiple-IPs access. Single-IP access does not make sense at all.

lemon_1800
@bluestone, I understand it's really a frustrating situation, but I wonder why you haven't tried to contact them via Phone. I suppose they will be responsive at least in phone like paypal.

dinos1
@ bluestone: Why don't you let them know that you don't remember how much you had in your balance? Most people don't remember that either, they should understand your claims..

Or just you could give them an approximate amount and see what they tell you..

montyex
can anyone tell me how the liberty reserve makes money and how do they make actual payments to and fro the HYIP administrators or programs? are they like a bank of some sort?

dinos1
Now liberty reserve is the most secured Payment Processor in the internet. They have lot of keys to log in so no one can hack our account. Remaining Alertpay and Pay pal has no such code
The scripts that they are using are actually the safest, along with the ones used by EW..

Though, I cannot say that it is the safest processor overall because of the serious phishing problems with LR.. Some hackers seem to have access to the email database of LR and they send phishing messages even upon registration to LR..

dinos1
can anyone tell me how the liberty reserve makes money and how do they make actual payments to and fro the HYIP administrators or programs? are they like a bank of some sort?
No, the way that they earn is very simple: Each time you receive and pay funds through Liberty Reserve, they charge you $0.01 for every $1 transfered to and from your account (e.g. they charge you $0.1 when you transfer $10)...

Apart that, they also charge some fees when you withdraw money or make some other actions..

jambutty
No, the way that they earn is very simple: Each time you receive and pay funds through Liberty Reserve, they charge you $0.01 for every $1 transfered to and from your account (e.g. they charge you $0.1 when you transfer $10)...

Apart that, they also charge some fees when you withdraw money or make some other actions..
Not quite dinos1.

Payments into your account are charged 1% of the amount deposited up to a maximum of $2.99. So anything over $299 will always be charged at $2.99.

There is no charge to you when you spend some money.

My dealings in LR since 3rd September 2007 has earned LR $111.34. Multiply that by the number of accounts and that comes to one heck of a tidy lump of money.

montyex
No, the way that they earn is very simple: Each time you receive and pay funds through Liberty Reserve, they charge you $0.01 for every $1 transfered to and from your account (e.g. they charge you $0.1 when you transfer $10)...

Apart that, they also charge some fees when you withdraw money or make some other actions..
thanks for shading some light on the matter.

montyex
Not quite dinos1.

Payments into your account are charged 1% of the amount deposited up to a maximum of $2.99. So anything over $299 will always be charged at $2.99.

There is no charge to you when you spend some money.

My dealings in LR since 3rd September 2007 has earned LR $111.34. Multiply that by the number of accounts and that comes to one heck of a tidy lump of money.
thanks for the indept wisdow....

dinos1
Not quite dinos1.

Payments into your account are charged 1% of the amount deposited up to a maximum of $2.99. So anything over $299 will always be charged at $2.99.

There is no charge to you when you spend some money.

My dealings in LR since 3rd September 2007 has earned LR $111.34. Multiply that by the number of accounts and that comes to one heck of a tidy lump of money.
It should be a good business for them then... :p

By the way, thanks for clarifying that they charge 1% only on incoming funds..

I can now be sure that someone who exchanged with me scammed me for a few cents cause he claimed that LR would charge his outgoing funds too... :(

montyex
so from this forum, will they pay members through their LR accounts or how does it work?

montyex
It should be a good business for them then... :p

By the way, thanks for clarifying that they charge 1% only on incoming funds..

I can now be sure that someone who exchanged with me scammed me for a few cents cause he claimed that LR would charge his outgoing funds too... :(
LR should put in tight control measures also for the HYIP programs......for example if they are scams and they took off with all the money......LR can able to track them down and tell them to pay up all its investors.....

Dimk
LR should put in tight control measures also for the HYIP programs......for example if they are scams and they took off with all the money......LR can able to track them down and tell them to pay up all its investors.....

LR does not have such a policy of refunds, chargebacks etc, like Paypal does.
That's why it is mainly used in the hyip business; if LR enforced such rules, then it would not deal with hyips (like Paypal) or would simply stopped to be used by hyips.

Dimk
Sorry to see that, after so many days, account holders like bluestone still have problems.
LR live support is still off.

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lemon_1800
LR should put in tight control measures also for the HYIP programs......for example if they are scams and they took off with all the money......LR can able to track them down and tell them to pay up all its investors.....
Friend, if LR had chargeback policy, it would not have been so popular as of now. All HYIPs and investment industries now adopt LR only for that reason. LR is also earning well from their transactions. Moreover, it's cumbersome when if someone deliberately opens a case against you, so I don't like chargeback policy at all. I'm sure LR will not adopt this feature even in the future.

dinos1
Friend, if LR had chargeback policy, it would not have been so popular as of now. All HYIPs and investment industries now adopt LR only for that reason. LR is also earning well from their transactions. Moreover, it's cumbersome when if someone deliberately opens a case against you, so I don't like chargeback policy at all. I'm sure LR will not adopt this feature even in the future.
Good point there regarding the HYIPs, most scammers would normally select a processor with no refunds policy anyway.. lol :p

But regarding the deliberate opening of a case against you, that can be done through any payment processor to be honest..

bluestone
@bluestone, I understand it's really a frustrating situation, but I wonder why you haven't tried to contact them via Phone. I suppose they will be responsive at least in phone like paypal.

I am very afraid of giving out personal sensitive information through e-mail and through phone. So, I am reluctant to contact them by phone.

@ bluestone: Why don't you let them know that you don't remember how much you had in your balance? Most people don't remember that either, they should understand your claims..

Or just you could give them an approximate amount and see what they tell you..

Ya. Good point.
Thanks


All the while, I thought the most ideal is to wait for LR to switch to multiple-IPs access. Then I will be able to access my account the usual way without going through much hassles. But, LR disappoint me by withholding this switch over for week after week.

bdsurf
Friend, if LR had chargeback policy, it would not have been so popular as of now. All HYIPs and investment industries now adopt LR only for that reason. LR is also earning well from their transactions. Moreover, it's cumbersome when if someone deliberately opens a case against you, so I don't like chargeback policy at all. I'm sure LR will not adopt this feature even in the future.

Yes, they will loss many hyip sites for that which are their main earning source. If they really start chargeback, hyip sites will start using evowallet. Before taking any decision, LR will think about their competitors first. Without hyip sites, they yet not have the capability to fight with paypal and alertpay.

Rockstar12345
Well that is why they are called e-currency , they dont have any chargeback policy , and it wont adopt it anytime , if it does , everyone will stop using it.

alensot
One good thing about Liberty Reserve is that they are giving more importance for security and it's not easy for anyone to get into your account and empty everything there

dinos1
One good thing about Liberty Reserve is that they are giving more importance for security and it's not easy for anyone to get into your account and empty everything there
The security scripts that they are using are the same as the ones of EvoWallet from what I have made out so far, though they do have some security issues there apparently because some hackers have access to their database and they are sending a bunch of phishing emails upon sign up to LR customers..

indieover
Well that is why they are called e-currency , they dont have any chargeback policy , and it wont adopt it anytime , if it does , everyone will stop using it.


well that is really one disadvantage i think of e currency . but i still like it. cause as long as you are careful with your password no one will be able to get your money here and send it to other account.

but the security of this site is so high actually. so minimizing the risk of those hacking in our account. that is why i so love this one.

indieover
yeah i wonder how those phisher able to get my email address that i have registered on this site or LR and so to other members as well. but still i trust this site.

Rockstar12345
yeah i wonder how those phisher able to get my email address that i have registered on this site or LR and so to other members as well. but still i trust this site.
well many hackers start some ptc site and pay with Lr and ask for their email and then they collect the emails and start sending the spam emails though i just delete them . There might be other ways too but this one is quite common.

jambutty
yeah i wonder how those phisher able to get my email address that i have registered on this site or LR and so to other members as well. but still i trust this site.
Some, probably many, HYIP’s etc sell email addresses.

It is unlikely that LR and other e-currency sites do so though. That is why you should consider using an exclusive email address for e-currency sites.

dinos1
well many hackers start some ptc site and pay with Lr and ask for their email and then they collect the emails and start sending the spam emails though i just delete them . There might be other ways too but this one is quite common.
To be honest, I am afraid is not simple as the greed of some admins that are using LR as payment processor..

For example, I received my first phishing email about LR just after I registered there... So, I inclined to consider that they should have somehow gained access to the LR database directly..

jambutty
To be honest, I am afraid is not simple as the greed of some admins that are using LR as payment processor..

For example, I received my first phishing email about LR just after I registered there... So, I inclined to consider that they should have somehow gained access to the LR database directly..
Did you use the same email address at LR in other places?

dinos1
Did you use the same email address at LR in other places?
Yes, I have used it to other sites as well, though it was very surprising that they sent the phishing email (it was something about my LR account being blocked) at the very same time that I also received the official email from LR upon registering.

I am using Gmail and thankfully the official email was sent to the inbox while the phishing email was sent to the spambox.

Dimk
Anyone else having problems accessing LR right now??

sinip
From LR blog:

3/20/2009
Scheduled Maintenance - 21 March, 22:00 GMT
Liberty Reserve will be unavailable on:
21 March, between 22:00 and 23:00(GMT)

This upgrade will give you a faster, more productive system.

Thank you for choosing Liberty Reserve.
Posted by Michelle at 1:23 AM

Dimk
Yeah, I just saw it.
And some othere news there:

While we are streamlining our marketing department so that they can catch up with all news that needs to be released and all collected information becomes available as promised, we are proud to announce Liberty Reserve Premium.

Shortly you will see a new menu item on our web site called LR Premium. LR Premium is a membership level that will allow users to become voluntarily verified and once they are, they will be able to order debit cards, purchase Liberty Reserve inventory directly from us via credit cards and to (NEW FEATURE) be able to buy and sell Liberty Reserve directly to us via bank wire, for orders of USD 10,000 or Euro 10,000 or more. We will also update our fees page to reflect additional services and corresponding fees for them.

Please bear with us while we transform Liberty Reserve into a more user friendly payment platform that satisfies needs of all customers. This decision was rendered as a result to minimize downtime to a bare minimum (rather than performing a few small updates, we will perfrom one large update that integrates all that is needed). Estimated down time is expected to be less than 10-20 minutes. We will anounce ahead of time when this should take place.

That debit card would be useful, provided the fees are lower than those of some exchangers. We'll see.

dinos1
At least this time they made an announcement! I am glad about it because the last time they had a kind of maintenance, there were several threads from crazed people about LR going to be scam.. lol :p

sinip
OK, LR is back right now.

Dimk
Indeed; we can do some work now, lol.

sinip
Indeed; we can do some work now, lol.

Yes, I've just received payment from Ad Market autosurf programme. :)

bluestone
Anyone else having problems accessing LR right now??

Yes. I still cannot login to my account because LR has yet to enable multiple-IPs access.

In an e-mail to me 3 weeks ago, they said the single-IP access was temporary measures and that they would enable multiple-IPs access soon.

I guess that has turned into an indefinite wait.

dinos1
@ Dimk: I can log in without any problem too now, it seems they have fixed it..

@ bluestone: I can recall the thread where we were discussing about your case, did you PM them about what lemon and I suggested? And if you did, did they bother replying to you at all?

Dimk
@bluestone
yes, I think all of us here know about your problem. This IP situation is becoming ridiculous.
Why don't you try sending another e-mail, since your last one was 3 weeks ago?

bluestone
@bluestone
yes, I think all of us here know about your problem. This IP situation is becoming ridiculous.
Why don't you try sending another e-mail, since your last one was 3 weeks ago?

Well!, I didn't send LR e-mails. I went to the site and wrote a ticket.

They replied my first ticket saying the single-IP access was temporary measures and that they would enable multiple-IPs access soon.

I wrote again another ticket to ask them the question when they would switch on to multiple-IPs access.

They replied my ticket but they didn't reply my question straight. That was very frustrating.
They asked me for the several sensitive personal particulars, instead. The questions included one asking me what is my Present LR balance, which I didn't know.

I refused to reply by forwarding my sensitive details through e-mail.
As said, I was so doubtful of the source of their e-mail and I thought forwarding my sensitive particulars through reply-email might not be secure.


@ bluestone: I can recall the thread where we were discussing about your case, did you PM them about what lemon and I suggested? And if you did, did they bother replying to you at all?

No. I didn't telephone LR as Lemon suggested.
I also didn't reply their e-mail with an "approximate" balance in my LR account instead of the accurate number; as what you suggested.

As I said, I am very reluctant to give out sensitive particulars through phone or through e-mail.
I prefer to use their ticketing system direct from LR site.
That way, I know it is going to the right destination.
the frustrating part is LR support does not answer my question straight.

I was hoping eventually LR will switch to multiple-IPs, as they said so in their e-mail reply to my first ticket enquiry. So, I waited. This will be a no hassle way to solving my problem.
Once that happens, I can get in to change my setting for IPs-security; and everything will go back to normal for me.

But, alas! this turns out to be long long wait.
Moments ago, I just tried to login but failed.

Actually, I am kind of surprise no one else in this forum complains about LR's single-IP access issue affecting them.
Truly, no one has my kind of problem?

jambutty
Yes, I have used it to other sites as well, though it was very surprising that they sent the phishing email (it was something about my LR account being blocked) at the very same time that I also received the official email from LR upon registering.

I am using Gmail and thankfully the official email was sent to the inbox while the phishing email was sent to the spambox.
Ideally you should have your email address for all your payment processors that is NOT USED anywhere else.

I still get those phishing emails but all of them have and still are being sent to my general purpose email address that I use for HYIP’s, forums etc. I’ve never had one sent to the email address that is used exclusively for LR and other payment processors.

jambutty
Well!, I didn't send LR e-mails. I went to the site and wrote a ticket.

They replied my first ticket saying the single-IP access was temporary measures and that they would enable multiple-IPs access soon.

I wrote again another ticket to ask them the question when they would switch on to multiple-IPs access.

They replied my ticket but they didn't reply my question straight. That was very frustrating.
They asked me for the several sensitive personal particulars, instead. The questions included one asking me what is my Present LR balance, which I didn't know.

I refused to reply by forwarding my sensitive details through e-mail.
As said, I was so doubtful of the source of their e-mail and I thought forwarding my sensitive particulars through reply-email might not be secure.



No. I didn't telephone LR as Lemon suggested.
I also didn't reply their e-mail with an "approximate" balance in my LR account instead of the accurate number; as what you suggested.

As I said, I am very reluctant to give out sensitive particulars through phone or through e-mail.
I prefer to use their ticketing system direct from LR site.
That way, I know it is going to the right destination.
the frustrating part is LR support does not answer my question straight.

I was hoping eventually LR will switch to multiple-IPs, as they said so in their e-mail reply to my first ticket enquiry. So, I waited. This will be a no hassle way to solving my problem.
Once that happens, I can get in to change my setting for IPs-security; and everything will go back to normal for me.

But, alas! this turns out to be long long wait.
Moments ago, I just tried to login but failed.

Actually, I am kind of surprise no one else in this forum complains about LR's single-IP access issue affecting them.
Truly, no one has my kind of problem?
When this IP issue first raised its ugly head I went straight to my accounts and switched it off because my IP is dynamic.

Many other people did the same.

uferrit
When this IP issue first raised its ugly head I went straight to my accounts and switched it off because my IP is dynamic.

Many other people did the same.

>>> jambutty <<<

gracefulness to explain better as you accomplished this change in the IP

uferrit
When this IP issue first raised its ugly head I went straight to my accounts and switched it off because my IP is dynamic.

Many other people did the same.

YOU QUOTATION ON UNMARING THE OPTION: “IP Security” ???

Allyco
Actually, I am kind of surprise no one else in this forum complains about LR's single-IP access issue affecting them.
Truly, no one has my kind of problem?

I have a similar problem, I have not been able to access my 1st account since I left India & returned to the UK on Mar 5th but could always access my 2nd account. I then went to Spain but could still access my 2nd account but on return to the UK yesterday I now cannot access my 2nd account either. My last reply from LR was 9 days ago asking me to be "patient" until they resolve their delays with re-setting accounts.

It is easy to open another account for use but now all my money is stuck in two unusable accounts, very frustrating indeed.

sinip
YOU QUOTATION ON UNMARING THE OPTION: “IP Security” ???

Login to your account and go to "Settings", then uncheck option "IP Security". Save settings. That's it.

lemon_1800
@Allyco,
May I know how I can change the setting of IP In LR so that I can always access LR with multi ip addresses even from other countries or states? I don't want to get in the same problem that you have been facing now. I'm going to take precaution for it.

sinip
Hey lemon_1800, just LOOK ABOVE!!! :)

Rockstar12345
Yeah i saw That option is there with the email notification thing though of course it will leave your account more vulnerable to be hacked.

sinip
Yeah i saw That option is there with the email notification thing though of course it will leave your account more vulnerable to be hacked.
Yes that is true, but for people on dynamic IP, that is the safe choice. It would be good if LR would implement the same feature like e-gold, where you get e-mail notification with PIN code you need to type in when you try to login to your e-gold account and your IP or browser have changed. That is really neat feature of e-gold.

Rockstar12345
Yes that is true, but for people on dynamic IP, that is the safe choice. It would be good if LR would implement the same feature like e-gold, where you get e-mail notification with PIN code you need to type in when you try to login to your e-gold account and your IP or browser have changed. That is really neat feature of e-gold.
yeah its too bad that we cant access our accounts when we are out of our homes and since i dont want to change the setting to allow multiple-ip , i sometime cannot check my account for many days when i am out , so that feature would be very helpful.

jambutty
>>> jambutty <<<

gracefulness to explain better as you accomplished this change in the IP
If you have a cable connection to your ISP you will have what they call a static IP. In other words when you sign up with the ISP you are allocated an IP address, which stays the same.

If you have a telephone line connection to your ISP you have a dynamic IP. That means that when you connect to the Internet you get allocated an IP for that session. When you log off and then log on again you get a different IP address.

So I do not change my IP. My ISP does it.

You can find out what your IP address is by accessing this http://www.lawrencegoetz.com/programs/ipinfo/

You can also find out which part of the world a particular IP is from by accessing this: http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation

sinip
There's also much shorter one to check your current IP:

http://cmyip.com :)

Rockstar12345
Well it showed my correct ip and country whereas others used to show a proxy address and my country as usa , so this site is good jambutty.

lemon_1800
I'm using cable connection but still my IP address is dynamic which is keeping on changing with regular intervals, so I don't like to change any setting in my LR and I'd leave it as it is. So I understand the default setting of the LR is that you can access LR with multiple ips.

dinos1
Ideally you should have your email address for all your payment processors that is NOT USED anywhere else.

I still get those phishing emails but all of them have and still are being sent to my general purpose email address that I use for HYIP’s, forums etc. I’ve never had one sent to the email address that is used exclusively for LR and other payment processors.
That's interesting to know and thanks for the recommendation, though even if some greedy admin sold my email address to others, I am still wondering how those others would have known the exact timing that I created an account on LR thus sending me the phishing email along with the official LR feedback? And of course I had never received any phishing emails about LR before, I only received one upon registration.

jambutty
There's also much shorter one to check your current IP:

http://cmyip.com :)
Thanks sinip but it’s a big bad world out there and I don’t know everything.

jambutty
I'm using cable connection but still my IP address is dynamic which is keeping on changing with regular intervals, so I don't like to change any setting in my LR and I'd leave it as it is. So I understand the default setting of the LR is that you can access LR with multiple ips.
As far as the UK is concerned cable connection is usually accompanied with a static IP and that means that no one else can use it when you are off line. It seems a bit of a waste especially as the number of IP addresses is limited and more and more people are getting connected to the Internet each day and they all need an IP address.

Currently there are only 4,294,967,296 IP addresses available. That’s 256^4 or if you don’t understand that - 256x256x256x256.

With a world population of some 6 billion (6,000,000,000) and rising rapidly you can see that it won’t be long before we run out of IP addresses. In fact there are already plans to increase the number of IP addresses by making them a 5 group address and that will increase the number available to 1,099,511,627,776.

jambutty
Apart from LR breaking their own rules for sending emails there is one other point that rings alarm bells with me. LR wanting you to quote your balance.

That sounds like someone is trying to find out if it is worth his while to empty your account and risk getting caught doing so. My suspicious mind suggests that there could be an inside job and the guy isn’t going to risk getting caught for a few dollars and is looking for accounts that hold a lot more.

The other point is that if you can’t get in to see if someone has paid you because the emails telling you that someone has don’t get sent most times, you won’t know what your balance is even if you kept a record of your LR account and thus would most likely give the wrong answer.

I would suggest to all those who have raised a ticket on this issue and got their standard reply back should write back to point out that LR’s own rule is:
Please note that in all e-mails from Liberty Reserve we will:
Always address you by your first name.
Never send you any links or attached files.
Never ask you to send us your password and/or login PIN.
The emails do not address them by name and are asking for personal details thus they could be fake. But don’t reply to that email – raise another ticket although that could be intercepted by the inside person - if there is one.

jambutty
That's interesting to know and thanks for the recommendation, though even if some greedy admin sold my email address to others, I am still wondering how those others would have known the exact timing that I created an account on LR thus sending me the phishing email along with the official LR feedback? And of course I had never received any phishing emails about LR before, I only received one upon registration.
It could be just coincidence.

I mean why would someone want your account details when you have just opened it. You won’t have any funds in yet.

Open another account and see what happens.

bluestone
I have a similar problem, I have not been able to access my 1st account since I left India & returned to the UK on Mar 5th but could always access my 2nd account. I then went to Spain but could still access my 2nd account but on return to the UK yesterday I now cannot access my 2nd account either.

My last reply from LR was 9 days ago asking me to be "patient" until they resolve their delays with re-setting accounts... ... .... .."

@Allyco,
We are in exactly the same situation.
In their reply to you, what exactly did LR say about switching over to multiple-IPs access? Did they say they were going to do it or not?

Rockstar12345
Yeah Lr staff just keeps giving the standard replies and never does anything , but of course it is not really possible to give out all the details to the support cos they may hack our accounts if it has more money , maybe when you go back to your own country then change the settings to multiple ips.

bluestone
@Jim.
It is really complicated affair that now we also have to worry about probable inside job in hacking members' account.
What if certain of LR Support staff are not trustworthy?
In fact, we always assume it is alright to tell the Support our sensitive particulars, when we need help.
This just sends shiver down my spine, now that I have no idea what is the status of my account.

@Rockstar.
Even back in my own home country, I can't be sure I can log in because my home WiFi is also dynamic IP. I am just hoping I could login by luck; so I can change the setting to multiple-IPs.

Allyco
@Allyco,
We are in exactly the same situation.
In their reply to you, what exactly did LR say about switching over to multiple-IPs access? Did they say they were going to do it or not?


They did not mention to me when or if they would switch to multiple-IP access.

I replied to their reply yesterday but have heard nothing as usual. Today I will copy & paste their reply to the "contact us" page within the LR site to see if that works.

I return to India next week so who knows, I may be able to log in there since this problem only arose since I left.

dinos1
They did not mention to me when or if they would switch to multiple-IP access.

I replied to their reply yesterday but have heard nothing as usual. Today I will copy & paste their reply to the "contact us" page within the LR site to see if that works.

I return to India next week so who knows, I may be able to log in there since this problem only arose since I left.
From my understanding of the case and how Liberty Reserve is treating it, there should not be any problem to log in once you return to your home country, where you set up the account from... But I do agree that it is urgent for them to adopt a more supportive policy, perhaps they could be asking you for a specific process to log in with another IP or something like that, but they should definitely look into the matter...

bluestone
From my understanding of the case and how Liberty Reserve is treating it, there should not be any problem to log in once you return to your home country, where you set up the account from... But I do agree that it is urgent for them to adopt a more supportive policy, perhaps they could be asking you for a specific process to log in with another IP or something like that, but they should definitely look into the matter...

Yes, Dinos. I think LR's Support is very poor.
Moreover, they are not capable of answering ticket to the point.

For example, LR's first reply to my ticket:

Dear Customer.

Please note that due an update that our system suffered during the weekend, you will be able to access your account just from one IP address,this is just a temporary security measure and we apologize for the inconveniences that this could cause to your account, we will provide the multiple Ip addresses option very soon.

We will need you to provide us the account number, e-mail address, date of birth and the answer to your security question, in order to update it. We will be resetting, as a security measure, the master key, so we recommend you to access the account right away when you receive the confirmation e-mail with the new master key. For further information you are able to visit us on our live chat or please click on the BLOG link in our home page.

Thank you.

I wrote my second ticket to enquire whether this e-mail actually came from Liberty Reserve or not.
I got no reply for this enquiry.

I did not respond to their request for sensitive personal particulars.
As I said, my worry is those information in the wrong hand is sufficient to enable anyone to change the password to my account.

jambutty
Wow as for the inside job i have heard lot of people talking about that but i guess where there is smoke there is fire and that could be true about other corrupt staff members being involved here
Hello loxion,
SOMEWHERE ALONGSIDE is not an acceptable location in your profile. Please change it to your real location – just a country will be enough, as it helps other members when some can reach a web site whilst others cannot. If you don’t want to put your real location then leave it blank.

Whether you are new to the HYIP world or have a wealth of experience behind you, a very warm welcome to you from admin, moderators and our happy band of forum members. We are here to help each other.

You might like to refresh your memory of the forum rules at http://goldentalk.com/t7526.html and you can post your comments about them at http://goldentalk.com/t25587.html

If you are an out and out newbie to computers and the Internet these could be useful to you.
http://goldentalk.com/t20852.html
http://goldentalk.com/t20851.html

If you have some time to spare maybe you would consider having a read of the following threads.
http://goldentalk.com/t563.html
http://goldentalk.com/t2510.html
http://goldentalk.com/t2270.html for info on making a signature.
http://goldentalk.com/t2413.html
http://goldentalk.com/t2504.html

You should find them useful.

Finally a couple of tips on DD.
Go to http://www.goldpoll.com/ or .net or .org. A short way down on the left hand side you will find a HYIP Search field. Input the name of the site or its URL that you are looking for and click on “Search”. If GoldPoll is monitoring the site you will be taken to it quickly.

Back in the forum do a search for the programme. Once again just its name should be enough. If there is a thread or threads for that programme you will be shown a list of them.

Good Luck!

Jim
(jambutty)

starapple
Today, when I tried to access Liberty Reserve, I had to type again my information since I couldn't find the button of the Roboform form-filler. I checked the address bar and it starts with https so I didn't worry.. but I was just wondering why it was reset.

jambutty
Today, when I tried to access Liberty Reserve, I had to type again my information since I couldn't find the button of the Roboform form-filler. I checked the address bar and it starts with https so I didn't worry.. but I was just wondering why it was reset.
Uh! Oh!

If RoboForm doesn’t respond to the LR web site, then even if the URL starts with https it could still be a fake web site. You have to look at the whole URL very carefully.

https://www.libertireserve.com could easily be mistaken for the proper URL. Note an “i” instead of a “y”. Or https://www.libertyrescrve.com Note the “c” instead of an “e”.

And you have to make sure the little padlock is showing.

Did you use your bookmarked URL? Or did you click a link in an email claiming to be from LR?

What you need to do is to use this URL http://www.libertyreserve.com to access the site and then click on “Login”. It will take you to your log in page with the proper URL and padlock and RoboForm should pop up. Log in as you normally do and hope that it was a RoboForm glitch before. I can’t see it being a RoboForm glitch. I’ve used it for years and RoboForm has always popped up when the real page is shown.

You may or may not find your account empty but in either case change your password.

Good luck and I hope you have good news to tell.

wanted123
i just wanted to know that are the staff of lr corrupted or we are getting fake news?i just think that it is our fault only becasue we click on links in the email and we blame in lr staff it just my opinion it may be true may not be.it just how one could take my point and it completely depends on the lr owner to take care of it

Allyco
Since my own two accounts are blocked I tried to register today for a new account but that does not work either, error 404 is all I get. LR is really giving a bad service right now.

sinip
Since my own two accounts are blocked I tried to register today for a new account but that does not work either, error 404 is all I get. LR is really giving a bad service right now.

404??? That means "Not Found". I just clicked on "Create new account" link and it opened up without any problems...

dinos1
Since my own two accounts are blocked I tried to register today for a new account but that does not work either, error 404 is all I get. LR is really giving a bad service right now.
Perhaps you tried to make your new account when the website was down for maintenance? I have been getting 404 errors as well when I was trying to log in there and with them having announced programmed maintenance..

Anyway, regarding your blocked accounts, watch out.. I have received a couple of phishing emails saying that my LR account is blocked, though I have had no problem at all either logging in or using them.. Make sure that you are not basing your knowledge that you have potentially been blocked on phishing emails.

wanted123
i just dont have any problem in logging in and i just tried not also them also i am not facing any problem in it.so i guess it just a small errror from your internet connection and i dont think there is any problem in the site as it has been recently updated

dinos1
i just dont have any problem in logging in and i just tried not also them also i am not facing any problem in it.so i guess it just a small errror from your internet connection and i dont think there is any problem in the site as it has been recently updated
That could be possible as well... I don't have any problem accessing and logging in to my Liberty Reserve account either right now, so I guess that it may have been either a temporary issue or a problem with his internet connection.. Perhaps it could have also been a country based issue or something..

wanted123
yeah that could be the main reason or else no idea i dont have any problem and there is no other chance .i guess lr is the best payment processor

dinos1
yeah that could be the main reason or else no idea i dont have any problem and there is no other chance .i guess lr is the best payment processor
I wouldn't say that it is the best payment processor overall, there are actually several issues that they need to look into and improve in order to be considered as one of the best... The one issue is to stop somehow the phishing attempts on LR accounts.. Another issue would be to improve the support team and to make it a lot more responsive to their customers' needs and problems. Overall, I would class paypal on top of payment processors..

wanted123
yeah paypal is best but paypal is used for ebay and very small things and even it not supported by many hyip and many site i just accepted by some site only so it not good idea for supporting paypal as it not famous in other sites

sinip
Usage of PayPal in HYIPs is against PP's TOS. And no, Paypal is not only for ebay and very small things. Not at all.

Dimk
LR live chat seems to be back online after so many days;

it's an opportunity for those forum members, like bluestone, who are having some issues with their accounts to remind LR about it.

wanted123
then can you give me any other use of paypal and if hyip are against pp tos then i guess lr is the best for me because i uses lr mostly for investment and didnt see any site which supports paypal so just think its uses?

wasi90lk
i think liberty reserve will fall like e-gold at some point. they are widely accepted in hyip sites which are mostly ponzi sites. i think if liberty reserve can provide money back guarantee (refund policy) then it will be better for the processor's future.

dinos1
yeah paypal is best but paypal is used for ebay and very small things and even it not supported by many hyip and many site i just accepted by some site only so it not good idea for supporting paypal as it not famous in other sites
Exactly as sinip said, paypal is the perhaps the most broadly used online payment processor, ebay is just one of the many websites that use it to process payments, I could list here at least 20 major websites that I know to be accepting paypal as mean of payment... But if you mean the get paid to industry in specific, they are actually not the most broadly used processor and that is because they do not allow being used there according to their TOS, as sinip also pointed correctly..

jambutty
Hey guys.

This thread is about Liberty Reserve not PayPal.

dinos1
i think liberty reserve will fall like e-gold at some point. they are widely accepted in hyip sites which are mostly ponzi sites. i think if liberty reserve can provide money back guarantee (refund policy) then it will be better for the processor's future.
I doubt that to be honest, I have heard that e-gold had other kinds of problems that led to its collapse anyway.. Liberty Reserve is actually one of the most accepted payment processors for HYIPs but that doesn't mean that they would be fully dependent on them, besides they are only earning from the comissions they are charging, the do not participate in money making scams themselves..

sinip
I doubt that to be honest, I have heard that e-gold had other kinds of problems that led to its collapse anyway..

Yes, problems with US Government. :evil:

bluestone
Since my own two accounts are blocked I tried to register today for a new account but that does not work either, error 404 is all I get. LR is really giving a bad service right now.

@Allyco.
You said before you could not access your 2 accounts due to change of location/IP. Now, your accounts are blocked.
I wonder whether LR would block a member's account due to repeated trials at login from different location/IP.

How did you discovered your two accounts were blocked?
Did you try to log-in again and then got the prompt your accounts were blocked?

I am concerned because my inability to login is exactly the same situation as yours.
I still has no opportunity to return to home country to try to log-in.

wasi90lk
I doubt that to be honest, I have heard that e-gold had other kinds of problems that led to its collapse anyway.. Liberty Reserve is actually one of the most accepted payment processors for HYIPs but that doesn't mean that they would be fully dependent on them, besides they are only earning from the comissions they are charging, the do not participate in money making scams themselves..


if one wants to scam members, one has to choose liberty reserve. people won't be able to scam others using alertpay or paypal (at least it won't be easy) but they will be able to scam others using liberty reserve. this is one of the reasons why liberty reserve doesn't have too many big merchants other than hyip sites (i guess).

lemon_1800
if one wants to scam members, one has to choose liberty reserve. people won't be able to scam others using alertpay or paypal (at least it won't be easy) but they will be able to scam others using liberty reserve. this is one of the reasons why liberty reserve doesn't have too many big merchants other than hyip sites (i guess).
Yes you are correct. We can see LR mainly with only money-making programs like HYIPs, autosurf and other gambling sites. We can use hardly LR to buy any items online. We must first convert it to PP or AP for that purpose.

dinos1
if one wants to scam members, one has to choose liberty reserve. people won't be able to scam others using alertpay or paypal (at least it won't be easy) but they will be able to scam others using liberty reserve. this is one of the reasons why liberty reserve doesn't have too many big merchants other than hyip sites (i guess).
That is true and it is because of the Liberty Reserve policies and poor support to its customers. It doesn't mean that Liberty Reserve participates in the scamming or that any law would hold Liberty Reserve responsible for the scamming..

As for the rest, I agree with you that Liberty Reserve is more commonly used with scam websites, though there have been many scammers who have used the other payment processors as well... For example:

- B-U-X.net, 10bux.net and roudycash.com allow payout and accept payment through Paypal.

- Most paid to click scams have been using Alertpay. This includes Dingobux, Chillbux, UnoBux and many more...

Allyco
How did you discovered your two accounts were blocked?
Did you try to log-in again and then got the prompt your accounts were blocked?

When I initially tried to log in on my return to the UK all I got was

We detected that you are accessing your account from a different location. Please contact our support if you think you have received this message by mistake.


It was LR'S reply to my support ticket that stated they were experiencing delays with the re-setting of accounts & they would unblock it as soon as possible

dinos1
When I initially tried to log in on my return to the UK all I got was
It was LR'S reply to my support ticket that stated they were experiencing delays with the re-setting of accounts & they would unblock it as soon as possible
Ah, well, that doesn't mean that your account is blocked really, I thought that you had meant that Liberty Reserve had terminated your account for some reason, thus making it globally unavailable to you...

Then, I guess you have the same problem as bluestone, i.e. you just cannot access your account due to the use of different IP address and that is because Liberty Reserve does not support dynamic and different IPs until now, may I guess for security reasons...

Allyco
It is the same problem as bluestone but irrespective of the problem it is LR'S non responsiveness that is bugging me. They sometimes reply but when they do it is usually asking for more time to fix the problem. Just a little hacked off that I cannot access my own money I guess.

jambutty
Has anyone asked them and got a reply as to why they are breaking their own rules when sending emails to customers?

Rockstar12345
Well seems people dont know about accessing Lr with multiple ips could lead to problems there , and also there would be so many support emails there that , it would be a hard job for them too , so there is bound to be delay in such things.

lemon_1800
It is the same problem as bluestone but irrespective of the problem it is LR'S non responsiveness that is bugging me. They sometimes reply but when they do it is usually asking for more time to fix the problem. Just a little hacked off that I cannot access my own money I guess.
It's just a lesson for me not to trust LR and I'm not going to store much fund in my LR account because I'm afraid if any issue occurs, LR customer support won't care to solve it out and I'll lose all my money.

bluestone
Has anyone asked them and got a reply as to why they are breaking their own rules when sending emails to customers?

Well, I didn't ask in this direct manner. In a ticket enquiry, I pasted a copy of their e-mail, addressing me as "Dear Customer". And, I asked whether the e-mail actually came from Liberty Reserve. I did not receive a reply.

Allyco
Today I have copied & pasted their reply to support again asking if I will be able to access my account when I return to my original location/ISP before this log in problem occurred. Since they appear to be unable/unwilling to help me access my account here I will be reasonably satisfied if I can at least log in when I return to India. I am lost for ideas now.

jambutty
Today I have copied & pasted their reply to support again asking if I will be able to access my account when I return to my original location/ISP before this log in problem occurred. Since they appear to be unable/unwilling to help me access my account here I will be reasonably satisfied if I can at least log in when I return to India. I am lost for ideas now.
Me too Ally apart from:

Have you considered opening a new account and changing to that account in all the HYIP’s that you are with? If you do, don’t forget to disable that IP thing.

Allyco
I have opened a new account Jim & I have unticked the IP security deal so hopefully it will work ok when I move to a different country. Unfortunately that still does not give me access to my money in the other accounts & no reply from LR yet.

jambutty
I have opened a new account Jim & I have unticked the IP security deal so hopefully it will work ok when I move to a different country. Unfortunately that still does not give me access to my money in the other accounts & no reply from LR yet.
No, but once you change the account number in your HYIP’s you will at least have some money coming in that you can get at.

The thought occurs and this is just speculation, what if this IP thing is deliberate to prevent you, and others in a similar situation, from finding out that a hacker of LR has emptied your accounts and they are trying to get your money back before giving you access to your accounts?

For me this whole affair stinks and I’m more than ever convinced that LR’s site security has been seriously compromised and LR has tried to put the blame on phishing emails whilst they try to sort out the mess.

As I said it is just speculation without one single shred of evidence.

Allyco
This morning when I tried to log on to one of my original accounts up pops an option for a "reset form". All it asks for is your account No & e-mail address, then there are two options available. Option one is "send me a code" & the second option is "verify code". I have done option one & await my code via e-mail, my assumption is once it is sent to me I will then have to do option two for verification.

I requested the code some 30 mins ago so it cannot be an instant e-mail like the one e-gold used to send that gave you 3 mins to use it or lose it. I wait patiently to see what happens next.

bluestone
This morning when I tried to log on to one of my original accounts up pops an option for a "reset form". All it asks for is your account No & e-mail address, then there are two options available. Option one is "send me a code" & the second option is "verify code". I have done option one & await my code via e-mail, my assumption is once it is sent to me I will then have to do option two for verification.

I requested the code some 30 mins ago so it cannot be an instant e-mail like the one e-gold used to send that gave you 3 mins to use it or lose it. I wait patiently to see what happens next.

Gold Nugget Invest site: if the site detects you are logging in from a different IP from previously, it would tell you so that a code is being sent to your e-mail for you to fill into a provided field. The code usually comes instantaneously. And, subsequent log in is a breeze.

@Allyco. Are you referring to this kind of code, which you are waiting to get to log in to Liberty Reserve?

Allyco
Gold Nugget Invest site: if the site detects you are logging in from a different IP from previously, it would tell you so that a code is being sent to your e-mail for you to fill into a provided field. The code usually comes instantaneously. And, subsequent log in is a breeze.

@Allyco. Are you referring to this kind of code, which you are waiting to get to log in to Liberty Reserve?


Yes, that is my understanding of it. I did expect the code to be sent instantly & automatically but that does not appear to be the case. I wait patiently.

jambutty
This morning when I tried to log on to one of my original accounts up pops an option for a "reset form". All it asks for is your account No & e-mail address, then there are two options available. Option one is "send me a code" & the second option is "verify code". I have done option one & await my code via e-mail, my assumption is once it is sent to me I will then have to do option two for verification.

I requested the code some 30 mins ago so it cannot be an instant e-mail like the one e-gold used to send that gave you 3 mins to use it or lose it. I wait patiently to see what happens next.
This new turn up sounds like LR has realised that they made a mistake with that other email or it was a fake and have come up with this.

Pssst! E-Gold’s PIN email lasted for 15 minutes.

Francesca
Anybody knows why trainexservice.com is so angry with LR?

sinip
Anybody knows why trainexservice.com is so angry with LR?

Because LR removed them from the list of exchangers...

http://blog.libertyreserve.com/2009/03/quality-assurance.html

dinos1
Because LR removed them from the list of exchangers...

http://blog.libertyreserve.com/2009/03/quality-assurance.html
Yep, it is in the bottom of the page on their blog:

Liberty Reserve on 5th March:

Exchangers update:

Please note that we no longer authorize the following exchangers to conduct any business with Liberty Reserve due to trust, fraud, numerous unanswered complaints, and other concerns:
w-777.com, wmoney.in.ua, trainexservice.com or any other businesses associated with them.
If you will see those web sites still operating with Liberty Reserve, they are doing so in violation of our Terms of Service and your Liberty Reserve funds may be at risk with them.

Funny thing is that a day later, trainxservice.com made an announcement of their own stating that THEY stopped working with LR because several LR accounts had been hacked, phished etc..

Trainex Service on 6th March:

Liberty Reserve appeared to be scammers. LR accounts
are hacked, we do not work with LR anymore!

Starting from today all services of Trainex stop working with Liberty Re
serve payment system.

We think that the Internet business is built on the generally recognized princip
les of decency and morality, and the total neglect of those principles by Libert
y Reserve resulted in the situation when lots of people have lost their money an
d they will never enter www.libertyreserve.com in the address line of their brow
ser anymore!

bluestone
Trainex Service on 6th March:

Liberty Reserve appeared to be scammers. LR accounts
are hacked, we do not work with LR anymore!

Starting from today all services of Trainex stop working with Liberty Reserve payment system.

We think that the Internet business is built on the generally recognized principles of decency and morality, and the total neglect of those principles by Liberty Reserve resulted in the situation when lots of people have lost their money and they will never enter www.libertyreserve.com in the address line of their browser anymore!

Gee..
Is this true?
Has anyone in our forumhere got his account hacked?
This is very scary.
On the other hand, this may be just Trainex Service's reprisal against Liberty Reserve.

bluestone
Gold Nugget Invest site: if the site detects you are logging in from a different IP from previously, it would tell you so that a code is being sent to your e-mail for you to fill into a provided field. The code usually comes instantaneously. And, subsequent log in is a breeze.

@Allyco. Are you referring to this kind of code, which you are waiting to get to log in to Liberty Reserve?

Yes, that is my understanding of it. I did expect the code to be sent instantly & automatically but that does not appear to be the case. I wait patiently.

@Allyco.
If I am not mistaken, you have waited for the code (PIN-code) for more than a day. It shouldn't be so.
Something is still seriously wrong with Liberty Reserve's system.
And, we can't rely on LR's support to explain or help. This is frustrating.

dinos1
Gee..
Is this true?
Has anyone in our forumhere got his account hacked?
This is very scary.
On the other hand, this may be just Trainex Service's reprisal against Liberty Reserve.
lol... well, it seems to be a war between 2 companies really, the one is blaming the other one for several things etc.. So, it is hard to make out who is telling the truth and who doesn't... Liberty Reserve had actually had phishing problems and there have been several accusations against it too, though in this case it was the first to terminate their cooperation with trainex.. So, that could well be trainex being angry with the fact and just continuing the accusations against LR to not be proved as scam or something..

Allyco
@Allyco.
If I am not mistaken, you have waited for the code (PIN-code) for more than a day. It shouldn't be so.
Something is still seriously wrong with Liberty Reserve's system.
And, we can't rely on LR's support to explain or help. This is frustrating.


Correct, it is now 24 hrs since I requested the code & no response yet. Frustrating indeed & very very annoying.

bluestone
Correct, it is now 24 hrs since I requested the code & no response yet. Frustrating indeed & very very annoying.

@Allyco.
Gee.. This is absolutely no good. I am very concerned about things happening at your end because I am in the same boat as you are i.e. unable to login owing to different location / different IP.

Tranex Service talks about LR members' accounts being hacked. And, I ask, has any member in this forum got their LR's account hacked or not?

I don't know the status of my own account. I've not been able to log into my account for the last 3 weeks. I am at my wits' end.

I am losing my confidence in LR fast.

dinos1
@Allyco.
Gee.. This is absolutely no good. I am very concerned about things happening at your end because I am in the same boat as you are i.e. unable to login owing to different location / different IP.

Tranex Service talks about LR members' accounts being hacked. And, I ask, has any member in this forum got their LR's account hacked or not?

I don't know the status of my own account. I've not been able to log into my account for the last 3 weeks. I am at my wits' end.

I am losing my confidence in LR fast.
I haven't met anyone on any forum that had his account hacked... They are all talking about Liberty Reserve accounts of others that they have heard to have been hacked, but none had his own account hacked.. So, I guess that it is just rumours being circulated around with no one being able to confirm or say that they are not actual.

I have met some people who had their funds lost on Liberty Reserve, but not because of hacking, they just considered the phishing as actual Liberty Reserve messages and gave their data to phishers..

lemon_1800
I agree with dinos1. I've been a member of some 10 forums where people discuss about LR, but so far I haven't heard that anyone LR got account hacked. But as to LR customer support, I feel LR is very bad and I'm losing trust with LR day by day. I think now I need to empty my LR balance as soon as possible so that even if any issues arise I don't lose much. I know LR don't help me to resolve it as with Allyco and bluestone.

dinos1
I agree with dinos1. I've been a member of some 10 forums where people discuss about LR, but so far I haven't heard that anyone LR got account hacked. But as to LR customer support, I feel LR is very bad and I'm losing trust with LR day by day. I think now I need to empty my LR balance as soon as possible so that even if any issues arise I don't lose much. I know LR don't help me to resolve it as with Allyco and bluestone.
This is very true, their customer support has nothing to do with that of a company that is willing to gain trust from its customers... Some of the messages that I have spotted being posted about Liberty Reserve "support" were somehow rude too to be honest.. I don't know why they may be doing that, perhaps they didn't get their drugs or they just have no clue about the moto "satisfied customers = repeated customers"... :p

satria
@bluestone and @allyco :
I think the fastest way to get your problem solved is by having a live chat with an LR support, some members have successfully logged in back to their account after doing so.

Live chat is available here http://help.libertyreserve.com/contact-us.php
(look at the top right corner of the page)
http://help.libertyreserve.com/support/themes/client_default/staffonline1.gif

Members saying :
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2990232&postcount=1
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3009224&postcount=28
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3014100&postcount=34

sinip
All I can say is that all of my money was in my LR account after all those maintenance downtime.

starapple
@bluestone and @allyco :
I think the fastest way to get your problem solved is by having a live chat with an LR support, some members have successfully logged in back to their account after doing so.

Live chat is available here http://help.libertyreserve.com/contact-us.php
(look at the top right corner of the page)
http://help.libertyreserve.com/support/themes/client_default/staffonline1.gif

Members saying :
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2990232&postcount=1
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3009224&postcount=28
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3014100&postcount=34

I tried to contact them using their live support when my old account cannot be accessed but it never worked at all. Everytime I would enter my email and name, it would be gone. I don't know if it's just in my connection but I got fed up of it so I just emailed them.

montyex
I tried to contact them using their live support when my old account cannot be accessed but it never worked at all. Everytime I would enter my email and name, it would be gone. I don't know if it's just in my connection but I got fed up of it so I just emailed them.
wow, that is really a problem...sorry about that....hope we do not come accross that...any feedbacks lately?...i guess the system sometimes is that problematic...they need to sort this out before we lose all our money.....cheers..

starapple
wow, that is really a problem...sorry about that....hope we do not come accross that...any feedbacks lately?...i guess the system sometimes is that problematic...they need to sort this out before we lose all our money.....cheers..

When I emailed them about my trouble in accessing my account and told them that I used their reset form but always there was an error, they just told me to do the same thing. I did.. and failed.. so I got fed up and opened a new account.

lemon_1800
I tried to contact them using their live support when my old account cannot be accessed but it never worked at all. Everytime I would enter my email and name, it would be gone. I don't know if it's just in my connection but I got fed up of it so I just emailed them.
I'm hearing so much negative things about LR customer support which panics me. I'm going to empty my LR fund whenever possible but I'll keep some funds only for my investment. It's just a precautionary measure to avoid any future issues.

dinos1
I'm hearing so much negative things about LR customer support which panics me. I'm going to empty my LR fund whenever possible but I'll keep some funds only for my investment. It's just a precautionary measure to avoid any future issues.
I am trying to do the same thing.. Whether Liberty Reserve doesn't have any problems or not, I would prefer my funds to be elsewhere...

If only I could find a reliable exchanger though...! I had once traded with someone who fooled me knowing I was new to LR so that he would pay me less than I could have asked.. :(

sinip
Check "Money Exchangers..." section of the forum, there are at least two trusted exchangers there.

dinos1
Check "Money Exchangers..." section of the forum, there are at least two trusted exchangers there.
Have you used any of them personally? I would really appreciate a personal experience on any reliable e currency exchanger, I mean if someone has used it personally already and is able to refer for them.. If you have had a personal experience, which of them charges less fees?

sinip
Sorry to disappoint you but I didn't have any need to exchange anything so far, so can't give you "first hand" experience.

Dimk
I would really appreciate a personal experience on any reliable e currency exchanger, I mean if someone has used it personally already and is able to refer for them.. If you have had a personal experience, which of them charges less fees?

Go to www.bsrates.com there you'll be able to compare the fees of all the major exchangers in one page.
Fees depend also on the country you live and can periodically change.

I have used goldexchange.eu, hygold and keepdeal.net in the recent past without problems.

lihongyi
Haha,nowdays,the scammers are really smart,I also received phishing ebay mails,and I gave away my password,lucky that I discovered it after one minute,and I changed my password at once,or I am sure I would stand a big loss.
I think LR is ok so far,at least my account is not scammed,and didn't receive any phishing mails.So no money lost.But a few weeks ago,it looks like there are some problems with LR,hopefully that it works alright now,if hackers could hack the database,then who knows what would happen.

lihongyi
Wow,thx a lot Dimk!The website you provided is really useful.It could show you the fee rate directly and clearly so that you needn't to take effort to find the fees rate or some website require you to register before you could look at the withdrawing fees.
But withdrawing LR directly is not really a good way for you to get the real money,I still need to exchange to PP,for I could even get some profit during the exchanging process as long as I am not scammed. :p

bluestone
I am back to my Singapore home.
And, I had my first successful login after over 3 weeks.
My account is intact. That was a great relief to find out.

The first thing I did was I unchecked the "IP Security" in my setting; despite the warning there against it.

I think multiple-IPs is the order of the days now, because many of us are using laptops and even home Wi-Fi are dynamic IPs.

It is impractical for Liberty Reserve to set "single IP access" as default. The IP security could be tackled in a different way.

I wish to thank all the forum members who were concerned for my failed logins for the last 3 weeks.
Many had offered suggestions to help me out.

montyex
Check "Money Exchangers..." section of the forum, there are at least two trusted exchangers there.
Do not use Me-Gold (www.Me-Gold.com) money exchangers....I was scammed by these guys....I bought US$130 worth of liberty reserve from them, I never see the money in my LR account.. this is early February this year.
I tried using their support services but they never respond. Stay away from them.

I

Dimk
Good to hear that your LR problems are over bluestone;

now, get back to business and try to fill that LR account with $$, lol.

bluestone
Good to hear that your LR problems are over bluestone;

now, get back to business and try to fill that LR account with $$, lol.

@Dimk.
Thank you, Dimk.
Yes, back to normal business.
It was such a relief to have that problem put away.

bluestone
Have you used any of them personally? I would really appreciate a personal experience on any reliable e currency exchanger, I mean if someone has used it personally already and is able to refer for them.. If you have had a personal experience, which of them charges less fees?

Do not use Me-Gold (www.Me-Gold.com) money exchangers....I was scammed by these guys....I bought US$130 worth of liberty reserve from them, I never see the money in my LR account.. this is early February this year.
I tried using their support services but they never respond. Stay away from them.

Go to www.bsrates.com there you'll be able to compare the fees of all the major exchangers in one page.
Fees depend also on the country you live and can periodically change.

I have used goldexchange.eu, hygold and keepdeal.net in the recent past without problems.

I never understand why Liberty Reserve cannot itself undertake the exchanging of its own e-currency to hard currencies. Instead, we members have to going through some exchangers. After all, isn't this another business line with profit or service fees for LR to earn.

Besides the cumbersome process to go through, the exchangers is an extra layer of risk, as Montyex revealed he was scammed by one of them.

SolidTrust Pay could exchange members' STP e-currency into hard currency and they could issue cheque or bank-wire-transfer for a fee.

dinos1
Go to www.bsrates.com there you'll be able to compare the fees of all the major exchangers in one page.
Fees depend also on the country you live and can periodically change.

I have used goldexchange.eu, hygold and keepdeal.net in the recent past without problems.
Thanks a lot for that link!! Seems to be exactly what I was looking for... And thanks for referring me to the other 3 exchangers.. All that info you posted there along with the info on the website you referred us too should make things a lot easier for me.. :p

dinos1
Haha,nowdays,the scammers are really smart,I also received phishing ebay mails,and I gave away my password,lucky that I discovered it after one minute,and I changed my password at once,or I am sure I would stand a big loss.
I think LR is ok so far,at least my account is not scammed,and didn't receive any phishing mails.So no money lost.But a few weeks ago,it looks like there are some problems with LR,hopefully that it works alright now,if hackers could hack the database,then who knows what would happen.
Well, the scammers really find more and more ways to scam and phish people but the companies are getting more smart too with backups and stuff.. Therefore, they would never need you to give them your details and definitely not through email but only on their own website if needed.. That's why I won't be giving away any personal details on emails, not even if it appears to be honest.. I will first contact the support department of the company and I will act according to their reply..

lemon_1800
@DIMK
It's a good link given by you. That sounds we lose $10 for every $100, which is not so high. But I would like to know is the result shown by it is for all International members or for only USA members. I'm from India, then shall I get $92 USD if I send $100 LR.

lihongyi
I also think that those websites didn't behave good enough.They should,at least,keep their users and customers' information safe,isn't it?How come that those scammers would know about our e-mail address and send phishing mails to us?Tell the truth,the phishing ebay emails looks exactly the same as the real one.If I haven't noticed that its url address is different from the real one,all my money in paypal would probably gone,either be transacted or be used for buying items on ebay.

lihongyi
Well,lemon,I think the fee for international members is the same.I checked its "wire service".Wire service is probably equal to bank wire service,right?If it's so,then it would be same for all the banks in the world.Unless the bank you use doesn't support bank wire,I don't think that's possible,isn't it?
And I am always confused why the wire service's fee is so high.What's the difference between bank-transfer and bank wire???

lemon_1800
Well,lemon,I think the fee for international members is the same.I checked its "wire service".Wire service is probably equal to bank wire service,right?If it's so,then it would be same for all the banks in the world.Unless the bank you use doesn't support bank wire,I don't think that's possible,isn't it?
And I am always confused why the wire service's fee is so high.What's the difference between bank-transfer and bank wire???
I think bank transfer means they would just transfer the amount from their banks to our banks with one click through Internet banking. But in wire transfer, they would send manually the amount through some post methods.

Francesca
@bluestone
On 25/3/2009 I have sent to LR your same question. Here their reply

While we are streamlining our marketing department so that they can catch up with all news that needs to be released and all collected information becomes available as promised, we are proud to announce Liberty Reserve Premium.
Shortly you will see a new menu item on our web site called LR Premium. LR Premium is a membership level that will allow users to become voluntarily verified and once they are, they will be able to order debit cards, purchase Liberty Reserve inventory directly from us via credit cards and to (NEW FEATURE) be able to buy and sell Liberty Reserve directly to us via bank wire, for orders of USD 10,000 or Euro 10,000 or more. We will also update our fees page to reflect additional services and corresponding fees for them. Please bear with us while we transform Liberty Reserve into a more user friendly payment platform that satisfies needs of all customers

============================================

Allyco
I am back to my Singapore home.
And, I had my first successful login after over 3 weeks.
My account is intact. That was a great relief to find out.

That is good news bluestone, it also offers me some hope that when I return to India this week I can access my account as all was well with log in until the day I left there.

The one confusing thing is I had accessed both my accounts in India but on my return to the UK I still had access to my "back up" account, I then moved to Spain & still had access, it was when I returned to the UK again that I got locked out of that account as well.

If I can access my main account next week my assumption then would be that I need to go to Spain again to access my "back up" account again. :D

bdsurf
@bluestone
On 25/3/2009 I have sent to LR your same question. Here their reply

While we are streamlining our marketing department so that they can catch up with all news that needs to be released and all collected information becomes available as promised, we are proud to announce Liberty Reserve Premium.
Shortly you will see a new menu item on our web site called LR Premium. LR Premium is a membership level that will allow users to become voluntarily verified and once they are, they will be able to order debit cards, purchase Liberty Reserve inventory directly from us via credit cards and to (NEW FEATURE) be able to buy and sell Liberty Reserve directly to us via bank wire, for orders of USD 10,000 or Euro 10,000 or more. We will also update our fees page to reflect additional services and corresponding fees for them. Please bear with us while we transform Liberty Reserve into a more user friendly payment platform that satisfies needs of all customers

============================================

So, liberty reserve starts giving facility to withdraw money via bank transfer for premium users? It is a very good decision for him. I hope being a verified member in liberty reserve will be not so tough and soon LR will be able to overcome paypal.

bluestone
@bluestone
On 25/3/2009 I have sent to LR your same question. Here their reply

.. . ... ...Shortly you will see a new menu item on our web site called LR Premium.
LR Premium is a membership level that will allow users to become voluntarily verified and once they are,
they will be able to order debit cards, purchase Liberty Reserve inventory directly from us via credit cards and
to (NEW FEATURE) be able to buy and sell Liberty Reserve directly to us via bank wire, for orders of USD 10,000 or Euro 10,000 or more. ... .. .. ... "

@Francesca.
Thank you so much for posting this news.
I wonder what they mean by "voluntarily verified".

It is high time Liberty Reserve undertakes buy/sell its own e-currency; rather than leaving to third-party exchangers.

It is a sensible move. Wonder why LR didn't start off from day-1 with this service included.

bluestone
That is good news bluestone, it also offers me some hope that when I return to India this week I can access my account as all was well with log in until the day I left there.

The one confusing thing is I had accessed both my accounts in India but on my return to the UK I still had access to my "back up" account, I then moved to Spain & still had access, it was when I returned to the UK again that I got locked out of that account as well.

If I can access my main account next week my assumption then would be that I need to go to Spain again to access my "back up" account again. :D

@Allyco.
You have to travel to Spain to access your back-up account?
Hahaha ....

Anyway, just remember to follow those forum members' advice here, that once you are successful at login, the first thing to do is change (uncheck) your setting for IP-security.

bdsurf
I also think that those websites didn't behave good enough.They should,at least,keep their users and customers' information safe,isn't it?How come that those scammers would know about our e-mail address and send phishing mails to us?Tell the truth,the phishing ebay emails looks exactly the same as the real one.If I haven't noticed that its url address is different from the real one,all my money in paypal would probably gone,either be transacted or be used for buying items on ebay.

I think many of that companies are from scammers. I think scammers also opened some online companies for ebay. They sell products without any cheating so that more people start using them and they started getting more personal information of people. They use it in phishing mail for extra earning without any fear of losing reputation and act that they don't know anything.

sinip
@Francesca.
Thank you so much for posting this news.
I wonder what they mean by "voluntarily verified".
It means that noone will force you to become verified. It will be up to you to do it or don't.

lemon_1800
Friends, I noticed that the option "ip security" is enabled by default. May I know what function this option plays? My ip address is dynamic but so far I haven't faced any such issues of multiple ips or something though I haven't changed the default setting. I'm afraid if in the future I will have to face the same issues that you people are facing. Any suggestion would be appreciable.

jambutty
Friends, I noticed that the option "ip security" is enabled by default. May I know what function this option plays? My ip address is dynamic but so far I haven't faced any such issues of multiple ips or something though I haven't changed the default setting. I'm afraid if in the future I will have to face the same issues that you people are facing. Any suggestion would be appreciable.
It is designed to stop unauthorised access to your account but it does cause problems as you can see. Such an unauthorised attempt at logging into your account should trigger an email to the address registered with LR with a code for you to input and when you do you get access to your account. If the attempt is unauthorised the person trying will not get that email (unless they have access to your email account) so that person will not be able to get your account. You will get the email though and if you haven’t tried to log into your LR account it should tell you that someone else has tried. And that means that someone else has your password.

These IP emails will expire after a certain amount of time, maybe 10 or 15 minutes, so wait for that amount of time and you then log in. You should get a new IP email and once in your account change your password and your Master Key.

It is probably best to disable “IP Security” for the time being until LR has finished sorting out their security problems.

Both my accounts have the “IP Security” disabled for the time being.

lemon_1800
@Jambutty,
Again thanks for the detailed explanation. But I wonder then why I haven't faced any such issues so far though I have been using dynamic ip address and ip security is enabled. Anyway, to be more secure, I'm going to disable it now.

Dimk
I also didn't face any logging issues, despite having dynamic ip address, but when this LR mess started I disabled IP security, just to make sure.

As for any news about the LR debit card, you can watch the official LR blog here

http://blog.libertyreserve.com/
For the time being we just wait for more details.

Generally speaking, the LR card seems to be a good move;

make no mistake though, there will be some fees associated with the LR card also and bank transfers will be availble only for amounts larger than 10,000.

Francesca
There is nothing without fees regarding banks transfers or credit cards. Wit my email to LR on 25/3 I just asked the same treatment of AP, whom verifies clients and gives a good service.

dinos1
I think bank transfer means they would just transfer the amount from their banks to our banks with one click through Internet banking. But in wire transfer, they would send manually the amount through some post methods.
Just to answer this question, because I have spotted it being asked several times on several forums:

- A bank transfer is a transfer from one account to another at the same bank. For example, if you transfer funds from HSBC China to HSBC India (or between several HSBC China accounts), that would have been a bank transfer.

- A wire transfer is from one bank to another bank. For example, if you transfer funds from HSBC China to another bank in China or in any other country, that would have been a wire transfer.

dinos1
I also think that those websites didn't behave good enough.They should,at least,keep their users and customers' information safe,isn't it?How come that those scammers would know about our e-mail address and send phishing mails to us?Tell the truth,the phishing ebay emails looks exactly the same as the real one.If I haven't noticed that its url address is different from the real one,all my money in paypal would probably gone,either be transacted or be used for buying items on ebay.
Unfortunately, there are many ways for scammers and phishers to find and use our private information... I would doubt if the payment processor owners themselves would have sold our email addresses, though we have bee"get paid to" in general websites, many of which have proved to be scams.. So, why not wouldn't their scammer admins also sell our email addresses to make more money against us?

earntaka
Unfortunately, there are many ways for scammers and phishers to find and use our private information... I would doubt if the payment processor owners themselves would have sold our email addresses, though we have bee"get paid to" in general websites, many of which have proved to be scams.. So, why not wouldn't their scammer admins also sell our email addresses to make more money against us?

Payment processors owners sell our email? If it is true, then it is very bad. I think ptc site are the main scammers. They often cheat with users and if you join in any ptc site, there is a huge chance that you will start getting spam messages. This is why I join in ptc sites using other email address.

dinos1
Payment processors owners sell our email? If it is true, then it is very bad. I think ptc site are the main scammers. They often cheat with users and if you join in any ptc site, there is a huge chance that you will start getting spam messages. This is why I join in ptc sites using other email address.
Not really, I meant the opposite.. For payment processors, it wouldn't be on their best interest to sell our emails to others, unless they are the phishers and criminals themselves, something that would allow them to get all the money of the accounts without people finding out that they did it.. But I don't consider that as a possibility either..

I do agree with you that the ptc scammers should be those who are selling our email information to phishers and similar crooks..

satria
I also didn't face any logging issues, despite having dynamic ip address, but when this LR mess started I disabled IP security, just to make sure.Seeing that many of you are still able to login although having dynamic ip address (when IP security is enabled), I think LR will still allow us to login if our IP is in Class B or Class C networks.

Class B networks : x.x.0.0
Class C networks : x.x.x.0

Ex : If you can login from IP 91.47.12.31 that means you will also be able to login from IP 91.47.x.x but 91.46.x.x won't work
x = any number from 0 to 254

I am not sure though if it's really the case :)

lemon_1800
I don't think so. Sometimes my IP is completely different from the previous one, still I can access my LR account. Maybe the security option will work only if we shift from country to country.

bdsurf
I don't think so. Sometimes my IP is completely different from the previous one, still I can access my LR account. Maybe the security option will work only if we shift from country to country.

If that happen, then I think it will not help us much. It is very easy to get the IP of any country by using a proxy. If hackers can identify our password in any way, then they will take the best advantage from it and we will loss our total money.

satria
I don't think so. Sometimes my IP is completely different from the previous one, still I can access my LR account. Maybe the security option will work only if we shift from country to country.Is your IP Security setting enabled now ? If it is, try to switch your IP to a new completely different one and access your account and tell us what happens.

But if you have your IP Security disabled by now then you can of course access your account from anywhere.

jambutty
I don't think so. Sometimes my IP is completely different from the previous one, still I can access my LR account. Maybe the security option will work only if we shift from country to country.
Is your IP Security setting enabled now ? If it is, try to switch your IP to a new completely different one and access your account and tell us what happens.
That would be risking getting it blocked. LR is very touchy about unauthorised account access.

However if someone really wants to test the system then open a new account and try it with that.

Just a teensy, weensy point.

The IP numbers are from 0 – 255 a total of 256 different numbers.

lemon_1800
Is your IP Security setting enabled now ? If it is, try to switch your IP to a new completely different one and access your account and tell us what happens.

But if you have your IP Security disabled by now then you can of course access your account from anywhere.
Well, my ip security is still enabled and I can access my LR account throughout my site. Sometimes I access it from my office, sometimes from home, sometimes from my friends' home. In every place, the ip address is completely different and still I have no issue. Anyway, as a precautionary measure today I'm going to disable the ip option.

satria
Well, my ip security is still enabled and I can access my LR account throughout my site. Sometimes I access it from my office, sometimes from home, sometimes from my friends' home. In every place, the ip address is completely different and still I have no issue. Anyway, as a precautionary measure today I'm going to disable the ip option.You said that already few days ago :evil:
@Jambutty,
Again thanks for the detailed explanation. But I wonder then why I haven't faced any such issues so far though I have been using dynamic ip address and ip security is enabled. Anyway, to be more secure, I'm going to disable it now.As far as i am concerned, One would have disabled IP Security setting straightaway if he/she uses dynamic IP address and knows that many members are getting trouble with that. Jim, Dimk and many more have had it disabled since the first day. I myself have had it disabled as well although my IP is static.

Nonetheless, i have created a new account and will try to access it from a Class C Networks and a completely different IP location, just wanna make sure if it will also work for me.

sinip
We can always presume that LR can recognise that we are in the same country even if IP address changes completely and still let us go in. I mean, I know that my ISP has two sets of IP addresses, one starting with 89.x.x.x and another one with 91.x.x.x both dynamically allocated, and I noticed that although most of the time I would get 91.x every now and then I would end up with 89.x for a couple of days. So I switched off "IP Security" thing. Just to be on the safe side.

montyex
that's right dinos......apart from that, wire transfers can go through more than two banks before it reaches the beneficiary bank.....usually thing in banking system....

Allyco
That is good news bluestone, it also offers me some hope that when I return to India this week I can access my account as all was well with log in until the day I left there.

If I can access my main account next week my assumption then would be that I need to go to Spain again to access my "back up" account again. :D

Good news today for me, I am back in India & am able to access both my previously un-usable accounts. My main account opened up on my first attempt, my "back up" account sent me a verification code to my e-mail address which I promptly used to access first time as well. Maybe now they have got the IP issue sorted out but just as a precaution I have the IP security deal disabled on all three accounts now.
:beer:

satria
Glad to hear that Allyco, congrats to you and bluestone, finally you both have passed LR's nightmare :)

dinos1
that's right dinos......apart from that, wire transfers can go through more than two banks before it reaches the beneficiary bank.....usually thing in banking system....
Yeah, and this is the reason why it is so more expensive than simple bank transfer... I guess that each part applies its own fees over the transfered funds acting as a mediator and in the end, this results in the overall increase of the total fees that are to be paid by the person who requests the wire transfer..

Allyco
Glad to hear that Allyco, congrats to you and bluestone, finally you both have passed LR's nightmare :)


Yes, I am happy, after having lost over $2000-00 with e-gold because they decided they did not need a reason to refuse me verification of my account there I had visions of losing the money I had in my LR accounts as well. :D

dinos1
Yes, I am happy, after having lost over $2000-00 with e-gold because they decided they did not need a reason to refuse me verification of my account there I had visions of losing the money I had in my LR accounts as well. :D
$2000!!!! Wow, that is a HUGE amount to lose with a payment processor.. How come that you didn't sue them for that? If they had scammed me such an amount, bankruptcy would have been the least that they should have been afraid of... I would have hunted them till they returned the last cent to me..

Allyco
$2000!!!! Wow, that is a HUGE amount to lose with a payment processor.. How come that you didn't sue them for that? If they had scammed me such an amount, bankruptcy would have been the least that they should have been afraid of... I would have hunted them till they returned the last cent to me..


Basically they told me that they did not have to give me any reason at all as to why my accounts were not to be verified. I had sent them my utility bills & a copy of my passport but apparently they were not satisfied with that. Anyway this is the LR thread so end of story on e-gold.

jambutty
Still having problems logging in to your account and making a spend?

Do this.

Access the web page that you normally use to log in from.
Click on the Services link – on the left.
Click on Reset.
Complete the fields with your account number and email address that is registered with LR.
Click on “Send Me a Code” button.
Wait for the email with your 10 digits reset code to arrive. Mine was almost instant.
Input the reset code, answer your secret question and hit “Verify”.
Wait for the email that will list your temporary Password, Login PIN and Master Key. Mine took about 15 minutes.

Use the new temporary Password, Login PIN to log in and change them and the Master Key to ones of your choice.

DO THE MASTER KEY LAST.

How do I know?

When I tried to make a spend from my secondary account 5 days ago the system wouldn’t accept my Master Key and because I tried several times my account was blocked for 24 hours.

After a series of tickets and replies LR finally sent me the correct instructions.

tohawk
Still having problems logging in to your account and making a spend?

Do this.

Access the web page that you normally use to log in from.
Click on the Services link – on the left.
Click on Reset.
Complete the fields with your account number and email address that is registered with LR.
Click on “Send Me a Code” button.
Wait for the email with your 10 digits reset code to arrive. Mine was almost instant.
Input the reset code, answer your secret question and hit “Verify”.
Wait for the email that will list your temporary Password, Login PIN and Master Key. Mine took about 15 minutes.

Use the new temporary Password, Login PIN to log in and change them and the Master Key to ones of your choice.

DO THE MASTER KEY LAST.

How do I know?

When I tried to make a spend from my secondary account 5 days ago the system wouldn’t accept my Master Key and because I tried several times my account was blocked for 24 hours.

After a series of tickets and replies LR finally sent me the correct instructions.

that's the most detailed method to solve this problem. my account is going fine since i created it last year.

tohawk
Not really, I meant the opposite.. For payment processors, it wouldn't be on their best interest to sell our emails to others, unless they are the phishers and criminals themselves, something that would allow them to get all the money of the accounts without people finding out that they did it.. But I don't consider that as a possibility either..

I do agree with you that the ptc scammers should be those who are selling our email information to phishers and similar crooks..

i also think those ptc scammers selling our email information here and there. my email address only used to join some ptc sites but after my registed. tons of spam emails received day after day.

lemon_1800
Still having problems logging in to your account and making a spend?

Do this.

Access the web page that you normally use to log in from.
Click on the Services link – on the left.
Click on Reset.
Complete the fields with your account number and email address that is registered with LR.
Click on “Send Me a Code” button.
Wait for the email with your 10 digits reset code to arrive. Mine was almost instant.
Input the reset code, answer your secret question and hit “Verify”.
Wait for the email that will list your temporary Password, Login PIN and Master Key. Mine took about 15 minutes.

Use the new temporary Password, Login PIN to log in and change them and the Master Key to ones of your choice.

DO THE MASTER KEY LAST.

How do I know?

When I tried to make a spend from my secondary account 5 days ago the system wouldn’t accept my Master Key and because I tried several times my account was blocked for 24 hours.

After a series of tickets and replies LR finally sent me the correct instructions.
Thanks Jambutty.
That is a great feature of LR which means no need to worry if we lost password or any Pin, but I would like to know if it's possible to change the secret question in case if I forget it. Also, what if I forget both password and the security question.

tohawk
Thanks Jambutty.
That is a great feature of LR which means no need to worry if we lost password or any Pin, but I would like to know if it's possible to change the secret question in case if I forget it. Also, what if I forget both password and the security question.

it seems that when i registered there i was asked to write down the secret questions and said they won't provide to us in lose case. i not remember clearly but i write down all the message about my account already.

jambutty
Thanks Jambutty.
That is a great feature of LR which means no need to worry if we lost password or any Pin, but I would like to know if it's possible to change the secret question in case if I forget it. Also, what if I forget both password and the security question.
I have just been through the process again and you no longer need to input the answer to your secret question to get the email with your temporary new logging in details.

If you forget your secret question and answer then that is tough. If your personal details are fake then you can probably kiss your money goodbye.

You can only change:
Login PIN
Password
Master Key
Personal Welcome Message

When changing your Master Key (Security PIN) you are asked if you want the system to remember it after first use until you log out. I left the box unticked.

dinos1
i also think those ptc scammers selling our email information here and there. my email address only used to join some ptc sites but after my registed. tons of spam emails received day after day.
Yeah, that would be expectable to an extent, to be honest.. They don't have the morality to pay those poor people who invested in their scams and they just go away with their money.. What kind of morality would stop them from selling any personal info that they have about us? And of course, they are also selling our pay pal, alert pay etc addresses.. Go to a freelancing website and you will find a million people paying for others' pay pal addresses etc..

bdsurf
I have just been through the process again and you no longer need to input the answer to your secret question to get the email with your temporary new logging in details.

If you forget your secret question and answer then that is tough. If your personal details are fake then you can probably kiss your money goodbye.

You can only change:
Login PIN
Password
Master Key
Personal Welcome Message

When changing your Master Key (Security PIN) you are asked if you want the system to remember it after first use until you log out. I left the box unticked.

Security question is a much important think when opening a payment processor account. All payment processors use it to retrieve password. This is why, I always use different and tough security questions and answer to keep my payment processors account safe.

jambutty
Security question is a much important think when opening a payment processor account. All payment processors use it to retrieve password. This is why, I always use different and tough security questions and answer to keep my payment processors account safe.
If I get the option of nominating my own security question rather than selecting one of theirs I think of my own question and change the letters to random characters. And of course the answer is also in random characters.

So my question might be:
What is the time - changed to:
ZuWi yD DD5 Ff2j

Now let's see someone guess my question.

Rockstar12345
Well for the security question , i always use a local word which mostly my family use it , so there is less chance that it can be guessed by someone else.

bluestone
Regarding single-IP access vs. multiple-IPs access, I stumbled on this URL on possibility of changing our IP address:

http://www.myiptest.com/staticpages/index.php/Free-Elite-Anonymous-Proxy-lists.html

The details for setting an IP address for our computer is given here in this URL:

http://technicalbliss.blogspot.com/2007/04/how-to-use-free-proxy-with-firefox.html

I am just curious as to what are the implication of being able to set our own IP address.
Maybe the more IT-savvy members could comment on this.
Firstly, will our dealings with Liberty Reserve and with any other site be more secure if they recognise we are coming from one single IP all the times?

tohawk
Well for the security question , i always use a local word which mostly my family use it , so there is less chance that it can be guessed by someone else.

well. that's a good way to protect your account. my friend also use some strange word for the security question. :D

bdsurf
If I get the option of nominating my own security question rather than selecting one of theirs I think of my own question and change the letters to random characters. And of course the answer is also in random characters.

So my question might be:
What is the time - changed to:
ZuWi yD DD5 Ff2j

Now let's see someone guess my question.

Hmm. it is really hard to guess your password. But I use different form to remember it. Like, I choose 1 fruit, 1 animals, 1 of my class friend and 2 or 3 other characters. Then I reverse the name of my friend and it looks like:

mango6malas0cat54

It is easy for me to remember and I also think it is tough to guess.

sinip
Regarding single-IP access vs. multiple-IPs access, I stumbled on this URL on possibility of changing our IP address:

http://www.myiptest.com/staticpages/index.php/Free-Elite-Anonymous-Proxy-lists.html

The details for setting an IP address for our computer is given here in this URL:

http://technicalbliss.blogspot.com/2007/04/how-to-use-free-proxy-with-firefox.html

I am just curious as to what are the implication of being able to set our own IP address.
Maybe the more IT-savvy members could comment on this.
Firstly, will our dealings with Liberty Reserve and with any other site be more secure if they recognise we are coming from one single IP all the times?

You can't set your computer to use just any IP that you would like to. What that article explains is how to use public proxies to change your IP to some other than your original one by getting through that proxy. But that change can also affect internet speed, or security, or both.

jambutty
Well for the security question , i always use a local word which mostly my family use it , so there is less chance that it can be guessed by someone else.
If the word is in a dictionary it can be guessed or rather traced.

The most comprehensive English dictionary contains some two million words.

Just 4 random characters comprised of upper and lower case letters and numbers will have 14,776,336 different combinations. 10 such random characters would have 839,299,365,900,000,000 different combinations.

So even just a 4 random characters password is much better than the longest proper word.

satria
...i have created a new account and will try to access it from a Class C Networks and a completely different IP location, just wanna make sure if it will also work for me.I am now on a completely different IP address and trying to access my LR account. Here is what i got

We detected that you are accessing your account from a different location. We sent a verification PIN to your email to make sure you are the owner of this account.
The verification PIN will expire in 15 minutes. If you have a problem receiving it please contact our support. So i think LR does not restrict multiple IPs anymore, we are free to access our account from anywhere, good move :)

sinip
And judging by the automated answer, LR checks the country ("different location"), so accessing your account from within the same country, even on dynamically allocated IP shouldn't be a problem at all.

satria
I dont think that LR will check what country we are in when we access our account, it will just check our IP address, that's all. As a matter of fact, i got the same "We detected that you are accessing your account from a different location" message whether i access it from any IPs in my country (Indonesia) or from europe / american proxy IP addresses.

tohawk
yes. if the site owner sell our payment processor account also. we alos have no way to stop it. currently i run into another site and this site even asked us to post all our processor account on the public forum to request money.think it 't not safty for our account by this way also.

tohawk
yes. if some scammer willing to sell our paypal account or alterpay account . we provide them already when we register there. even specific email can't stop this . the scammer know our account already.

alensot
Whatever may future hold you, if you have bigger amount in LR, better remove it every now and then and don't keep large amount there.But fro now, LR is secure and safe nothing to worry about as it has been running quite well all these years

dinos1
Whatever may future hold you, if you have bigger amount in LR, better remove it every now and then and don't keep large amount there.But fro now, LR is secure and safe nothing to worry about as it has been running quite well all these years
Exactly... It is always better to keep your money distributed and especially avoid keeping a lot on payment processors that don't allow you to withdraw your money (like Liberty Reserve) or that have an extremely high withdrawal limit (like Evo Wallet).. Their value may collapse within hours if something happens anyway..

archy22
well, i feel yes liberty reseve is very much secured. they have different levels of authentication , i have been using them from more than 8 months for now. it has been a very good experience even since i am using them. I feel my account is pretty much secure.

starapple
Well, I got this email being forwarded to me on April 3rd.

Sent: Friday, 3 April 2009 7:45:20
Subject: Libertyreserve: Your money is at risk!

You are probably using Libertyreserve as e-currency. We will explain you why your money is AT RISK and why you should remove your funds from this system run by a team of international scammmers.

WHO MANAGE LIBERTYRESERVE

* As told on their website, the President of Liberty Reseve is supposed to be "Amed Mekovar". Some research in Costa Rica through our contacts in various administrations show that Amed Mekovar is in fact Ahmed Yassin, citizen of Morocco, living in Costa Rica with a residency permit. Interesting to know that this one is prosecuted in Morocco for many scams, and is even under investigation in Costa Rica per request of the US authorities.

So the President of Liberty Reserve is a fugitive from Morocco, using a false name! The real founder and owner is the sadly famous "Ragnar", well know crook in the e-currency world. He runs a few websites, including the former goldage.net (sold to other people), the GDCA service that is supposed offer assistance to victims of scams (!) and that curiously went back online some days ago after a few months downtime! GDCA will be a support for Liberty Reserve, as more and more people begin to understand that LR is just a scam, made by scam artists.

Find more about this one and his good friend, also one of the executives of Liberty Reserve here: http://manhattanda.org/whatsnew/press/2006-07-27.shtml


HOW LIBERTYRESERVE OWNERS SPEND YOUR MONEY

Have a look at http://www.savefile.com/files/2063446 and http://www..savefile.com/files/2063913 and http://www.savefile.com/files/2063915 and see how Libertyreserve scammers spend YOUR money. A nice 4x4 jeep Mercedes. That is only ONE of their last purchases. We will show you soon how they also bought a property by the see for $470,000, and 2 other very nice cars.
This is all paid with YOUR money that is in the Libertyreserve system, and that explains why a few days ago, Libertyreserve ordered all exchangers to not accept outexchanges above $5000 without the Libertyreserve agreement!


HOW LIBERTYRESERVE IS STEALING YOUR MONEY

If you have only 100 or 200 bucks, no problem. But if you have larger amounts, be VERY careful: Some days ago, a "confidential" email from Erik Paltz, CEO of Libertyreserve, told all exchangers that any OUT exchange from $5000 must NOT be executed without the agreement of Libertyreserve. This is done to lock the money inside the system, like e-gold: There are million dollars in e-gold currently BUT nobody can withdraw them outside the e-gold system. Libertyreserve is doing the same: You can SEE your money on the screen BUT if you want to withdraw $5000 or more, you will have to wait the "Libertyreserve agreement. Some LR users are waiting this agreement since... SEVEN DAYS already!! Exchangers hold the money, and say "Sorry guys, Libertyreserve does not authorize us yet to pay you, please wait".
One of the largest exchanger last month wanted to sell $200,000 LR to Libertyreserve themselves. He had to wait TEN DAYS for Libertyreserve finally sent the payment.


THE "SECURITY" OF LIBERTYRESERVE

Last month, in March 2009, the Libertyreserve website went offline during more than one week. The official explanation was a "SSL certificate update". One week... The real reason was that the API system of Libertyreserve had a major security hole that allowed hackers to steal hundreds of thousands USD. Look here: http://www.savefile.com/files/2025881 and here http://www.savefile.com/files/2024516 to see 2 of the victimes accounts after the hack. Libertyreserve NEVER replied to ANY email of these victims asking at least explanations.
One big exchanger also was stolen about $40.000, and as they didn't agree to shut-up and hide this hack, the only reply of Libertyreserve to them was to revoke their exchanger status.
You can read a lot about this story here: http://ecommerce-journal.com/articles/13629_libertyreserve_is_down_for_maintenance_users_are_in_panic_whats_going_on



THE FUTURE OF LIBERTYRESERVE

There are currently two legal actions in Costarica against Libertyreserve. The fact that the Libertyreserve manager and president are fugitive, using false identity, gives NO DOUBT about the result: The Costa Rica Court will terminate the Libertyreserve company and, if they have not run away yet, the Libertyreserve management team will be arrested. The result will then be the same than for e-bullion: MILLIONS OF DOLLARS LOST.
The "market" perfectly knows it: The out-exchange rates that were about 2% to 3% last month, went up to 20% to 25% during the "API hack period" and are now at a high 5% to 8%.

All this means that YES, YOU have Libertyreserve in your account but it is less and less possible to sell it for other e-currency or for real money. All this is going to be worse and worse until the Libertyreserve scam collapses, and that the Libertyreserve owners do the only thing they are able to do: RUN AWAY WITH YOUR MONEY, AS ALL SCAMMERS DO.

Of course Libertyreserve tries to hide the truth, by paying guys to post on various forum. One exchanger even claims to visit LR regularly in Costa Rica. In fact he made an agreement so that he will put all his "moral authority" to make LR users confident, in exchange of the guarantee that HE will not be scammed when the Libertyreserve scammers will run away with your money.

You, and only YOU, know what you have to do: Get rid of Libertyreserve BEFORE Libertyreserve scams you!

jambutty
Well, I got this email being forwarded to me on April 3rd.
That email smacks of someone trying to blacken the name of Liberty Reserve in the hope that current account holders will abandon LR in favour of one of the others.

Liberty Reserve took over as being the most popular payment processor when E-Gold, E-Bullion and StormPay got stopped in their tracks.

This undoubtedly created resentment and jealousy from all the others, because they were hoping to pick up the business vacated by E-Gold, E-Bullion and StormPay.

If you access http://www.libertyreserve.com/en/corporate/ you will read this:
“Please note that corporate information has been removed, based on the legal advise from our attorney, to comply with the strict Costa Rican bank secrecy laws. It is available upon request under the proper order.”

That makes nonsense of WHO MANAGE LIBERTYRESERVE

HOW LIBERTYRESERVE OWNERS SPEND YOUR MONEY
LR admin is perfectly entitled to spend their profits how they see fit.
“Libertyreserve ordered all exchangers to not accept outexchanges above $5000 without the Libertyreserve agreement!”
Quite right too. It is to protect the account holder from having large amounts of money stolen from his account.

HOW LIBERTYRESERVE IS STEALING YOUR MONEY
Absolute claptrap. 7 or 10 days may seem a little excessive but see above. If someone had hacked my account I would be glad of the 7 or 10 days before the money actually left my account to ensure that it did not.

THE "SECURITY" OF LIBERTYRESERVE
There has been a question mark over LR’s site security but it would appear that they have got it sorted. I have had over 100 phishing emails since before Xmas, although none recently. These seemed to coincide with the ‘hacking period’.
It is the account holders’ responsibility to ensure that his account details do not fall into the wrong hands. People who fell for the phishing scams will naturally try to blame LR rather than admit that they fell for a phishing email. It’s human nature.

THE FUTURE OF LIBERTYRESERVE
What no link to an official web site that corroborates the allegation that there are currently two legal actions against LR in Costa Rica? Could that be because there aren’t any? There are links in other parts of this email to alleged official sites. If hackers, scammers and phishers can duplicate a payment processor web site then they can also do the same with official web sites.

It is all just an attempt to bring LR down by trying to get people to make a run on LR and withdraw their money.

London Gold Exchange, arguably the best e-currency exchanger in the world, has increased the fee for LR to 10%. Why? To take advantage of all the scare mongering that has been going on. LGE is I business to make money and not to stock up worthless e-currency.

So I reject that email as nothing more than an attempt to bring LR down.

Can your forward that email to me at cdmxrn@btinternet.com because I have some questions that I would like to ask the author.

wasi90lk
if the news is true then people will lose quite a lot of money just like they lost in altergold, e-bullion and e-gold. if liberty reserve goes down, i think perfectmoney will take lr's place.

Dimk
Anybody else having problems accessing the LR site right now ??

It doesn't load and I get "server too busy"

internet
Anybody else having problems accessing the LR site right now ??

It doesn't load and I get "server too busy"

Well even myself i cannot access it and there is nothing on their blog when i checked few hours ago :mad: :confused:

lemon_1800
Guys, it's up and down in every few minutes. I can't understand what is going on. Anyway, let's hope it will come back soon.

dinos1
Anybody else having problems accessing the LR site right now ??

It doesn't load and I get "server too busy"
I can't access it at all either... I don't know what happens but every day this time there seems to be an overload.. Perhaps they need to change server or something as the current one that they are using is getting too busy every day this time.. But in the afternoon that I am trying to access it, there is no problem..

dinos1
if the news is true then people will lose quite a lot of money just like they lost in altergold, e-bullion and e-gold. if liberty reserve goes down, i think perfectmoney will take lr's place.
Hopefully it will not though, because in such a case, there would have been too many people trapped in it with funds so devalued that they would either have to keep there waiting for them to be appreciated or that they would convert to peanuts for funds other payment processors.. Not sure who will get their position in case they go down, though I would agree that Perfect Money has more chances than Evo Wallet to replace them, unless Alert Pay starts working with HYIPs and similar programs..

internet
It put lot of doubts in people's minds because that site just goes down without any warning to its members, like now the site went down and when last i checked on their blog the last updates are made on the 20/3/2009

dinos1
It put lot of doubts in people's minds because that site just goes down without any warning to its members, like now the site went down and when last i checked on their blog the last updates are made on the 20/3/2009
Interesting point there, I hadn't checked it for sometime... Well, I guess that I should be getting rid of my funds on Liberty Reserve then, I am rather worried about the latest news and updates regarding Liberty Reserve..

mamabear
I get the same -- been having trouble with LR for a few days now. However, am relieved that others are having problems too because I thought it was just my computer. I do not have any problem accessing other sites so whatever it is, it must be on LR's side.

Dimk
2 hours later and still unable to access LR website.

Anyway, eventually it will be back online and we'll resume "business".

internet
I get the same -- been having trouble with LR for a few days now. However, am relieved that others are having problems too because I thought it was just my computer. I do not have any problem accessing other sites so whatever it is, it must be on LR's side.

Relieved? and what if it never come back, i think things like this are the ones which will cause lot of confusions and deepens the stress people have over what has been said about it lately and again people loosing hope in LR

bdsurf
It is very sad that LR is again down. Now a days lots of rumors are spread against them and I am sure for the recent downtime their reputation will decrease again. I don't understand why they are in so much problem these days.

jambutty
Me too. :jitters:

It looks like yet another DDoS attack. :angry:

bdsurf
Interesting point there, I hadn't checked it for sometime... Well, I guess that I should be getting rid of my funds on Liberty Reserve then, I am rather worried about the latest news and updates regarding Liberty Reserve..

If liberty reserve again come in online, I will transfer my maximum funds in alertpay, perfect money and evowallet. I had no problem with Liberty reserve before. But this recent downtimes is giving us a bad warning and it is very bad that they even do not updated their blog.

internet
But what is it that is lacking there at LR because every now and then is LR under DDos attacks, why we never hear this things at PP,AP etc? is their system weak? and if that is the case then they should be considering that they hold big sums of money and they should tighten their security services

jambutty
But what is it that is lacking there at LR because every now and then is LR under DDos attacks, why we never hear this things at PP,AP etc? is their system weak? and if that is the case then they should be considering that they hold big sums of money and they should tighten their security services
We don’t hear of attacks on PayPal because they do not allow HYIP’s and the like to use their services and they have ‘mirror’ sites. If one ‘mirror’ is attacked you just get routed through another one. But no doubt they do get their share. As for AlertPay, well it’s not very popular and has limited usage, as do the others. LR is the well established payment processor especially since E-Gold, E-Bullion and AlterGold were stopped in their tracks.

My thoughts on this issue are these.

It is well known that the major western governments do not like their citizens making money on the Internet from HYIP’s and the like. Primarily because they cannot collect taxes on the earnings nor can the industry be regulated. Even more so today than yesteryear, governments want to control their population’s life.

It is also well known that there are busy body factions out in the world who for reasons best known to themselves don’t like people earning a few dollars on the Internet. So under the guise of being scam busters they do everything that they can to bring down the HYIP industry.

One way is to attack the individual HYIP’s with DDoS attacks but it is much more effective to have a go at the payment processors. If a popular payment processor like Liberty Reserve is down then payments cannot be made or received. This puts the HYIP’s in a bad light and members start to panic. The self proclaimed scam busting busy bodies jump in to cause more concern and disquiet. Lita, Xenia, Ponzidestroyer and others are very busy on the TalkGold forum plus some others.

Of course there is always the possibility that a rival payment processor is to blame in the hope that customers of a payment processor will dump that one in favour of them.

I maintain that where and when I spend MY MONEY is not the concern of some self styled ‘knight’ of the Internet who is trying to protect me from myself. It’s none of his/her darned business.

lihongyi
Yeah...It's almost impossible for us to hear that paypal is down or be attacked.For there must be many people who are doing jobs to protect the paypal,but liberty reserve doesn't.And I checked it,the website is still down,I really hope that nothing would happen to it,for I still have money in it now....

dinos1
It seems to be OK now, Liberty Reserve is up again and I can access it... Most likely, it is an issue with limited bandwidth on their behalf in my opinion, as the website goes down every day around the same time... Reasonably perhaps as it is then morning in India and China and evening in the US, Canada etc.. So, there should be a lot of people trying to access it at that time, causing it to go down..

Whichever the case is though, Liberty Reserve should look into the matter..

dinos1
If liberty reserve again come in online, I will transfer my maximum funds in alertpay, perfect money and evowallet. I had no problem with Liberty reserve before. But this recent downtimes is giving us a bad warning and it is very bad that they even do not updated their blog.
It is up again now, I would consider it as a bandwidth problem more than a maintenance or something, as it happens mostly when many people are trying to log in to it... But yeah, better be safe with it and transfer any funds you may have there to a more reliable processor like Alert Pay..

By the way, how do you plan transferring your funds from LR to AP? And what would the exchange rate be between those 2?

internet
It seems to be OK now, Liberty Reserve is up again and I can access it... Most likely, it is an issue with limited bandwidth on their behalf in my opinion, as the website goes down every day around the same time... Reasonably perhaps as it is then morning in India and China and evening in the US, Canada etc.. So, there should be a lot of people trying to access it at that time, causing it to go down..

Whichever the case is though, Liberty Reserve should look into the matter..

Yeah and as of now i think they should let people know about it because there will always be panic buttons whenever it goes down because there has been lot of negatives already going on around the net

dinos1
Yeah and as of now i think they should let people know about it because there will always be panic buttons whenever it goes down because there has been lot of negatives already going on around the net
I definitely agree with you... They should at least let people know why this thing is happening almost every day.. But considering that they don't bother (or don't want?) to explain what is going on, from all the possibilities I would say that most likely it is a bandwidth issue.. If it was maintenance, it would have been on their benefit to explain what is going on, as it would show customers that they are active in keeping fine their website.. But since they don't say anything, it is most likely something that wouldn't be good for them to say, like perhaps the limited bandwidth issue..

jambutty
LR is just about up for me too but it took ages to load the logging in page and the system will not accept my PIN.

This happened once before a few days ago but put itself right after a few hours.

Hopefully the same will happen again.

jambutty
A bandwidth problem is caused by too many people trying to access the site at the same time. A DDoS attack simulates such a scenario with spurious packets of data but many times worse.

Whilst I accept that many more LR account holders, worried about the security of their accounts have been trying to get to them, it is unlikely that that has been the cause. After all we have been through this before and once back on-line everyone was able to access their accounts.

This current problem is undoubtedly being caused by a concentrated attack again. As I explained before hit an individual HYIP you only affect that HYIP. Hit the payment processor that services HYIP’s and they all get affected. Please see my post #424 above.

The blog says it all. LR has posted to keep account holders informed of routine maintenance – the last time being 20th March 2009. The lack of such a post would indicate that the current issue is not down to maintenance scheduled or otherwise. That narrows down the field of the real cause.

bdsurf
Finally I succeed to login in Liberty reserve but after several trying. It seems beside bandwith problem their system is also in problem. They log me out several times without any reason. Plus when I click in merchant tools link, they send me to index page and also logout me.

satria
If liberty reserve again come in online, I will transfer my maximum funds in alertpay, perfect money and evowallet. I had no problem with Liberty reserve before. But this recent downtimes is giving us a bad warning and it is very bad that they even do not updated their blog.LR is now back online, so go ahead and leave. Having such nervous people on the boat just makes the ride unpleasant for everyone.
I personally have no problem with LR, to me they're still my favorite. Probably their server crashed due too many connections caused by an attack and left them with no option but to put the service into an unscheduled maintenance mode to recover. There's nothing we can do about it but sitting and waiting.

jambutty
Finally I succeed to login in Liberty reserve but after several trying. It seems beside bandwith problem their system is also in problem. They log me out several times without any reason. Plus when I click in merchant tools link, they send me to index page and also logout me.
I managed to get in to my account after several tries but then I got chucked out again. So I give up.

lemon_1800
Liberty reserve is still down. I can open only home page, but if I click "login page" it shows up "cannot find server". There is no update on their blog, so I'm worried. Anyway, let's hope it will come back soon.

jhonnyrapp
yes ! it is defenitely secured!!!! Considering the number of security measures that they take(pincode,mastercode,etc)

oluniyiny
Liberty reserve is still down. I can open only home page, but if I click "login page" it shows up "cannot find server". There is no update on their blog, so I'm worried. Anyway, let's hope it will come back soon.
This is becoming unbecoming of LR, I have been wondering for some time now that I did not see any new post on their blog. God will help us.

dinos1
Finally I succeed to login in Liberty reserve but after several trying. It seems beside bandwith problem their system is also in problem. They log me out several times without any reason. Plus when I click in merchant tools link, they send me to index page and also logout me.
They have an automated system that logs you out of your account every 15 minutes... It has been doing that to me as well, then I spotted on top of the page that it has a timer showing in how much time Liberty Reserve will automatically log you out.. Not sure about the rest, I have no problem accessing my account right now..

dinos1
Liberty reserve is still down. I can open only home page, but if I click "login page" it shows up "cannot find server". There is no update on their blog, so I'm worried. Anyway, let's hope it will come back soon.
May be going up and down or there may be a country specific problem then? I have no problem accessing that website from here at the moment, though they may have also fixed it in the meantime... Anyway, hopefully they will solve all those problems soon cause it has become annoying really and the Liberty Reserve value is expected to collapse after all those problems...

I don't know, I guess Liberty Reserve will not be here for long if these problems and rumours persist.. Any possibility that goldentalk would use another payment processor instead of Liberty Reserve for the payments to come perhaps?...

dinos1
LR is just about up for me too but it took ages to load the logging in page and the system will not accept my PIN.

This happened once before a few days ago but put itself right after a few hours.

Hopefully the same will happen again.
Could there be an issue with them asking you to change your log in details at least once every 2 months? Perhaps their system had somehow stalled and instead of asking you to add new login details, it was disallowing you to access your account overall? Anyway, whatever the cause is, hopefully the Liberty Reserve admins will fix it soon because otherwise, I am afraid that our funds on Liberty reserve will be greatly devalued.. :(

lemon_1800
May be going up and down or there may be a country specific problem then? I have no problem accessing that website from here at the moment, though they may have also fixed it in the meantime... Anyway, hopefully they will solve all those problems soon cause it has become annoying really and the Liberty Reserve value is expected to collapse after all those problems...

I don't know, I guess Liberty Reserve will not be here for long if these problems and rumours persist.. Any possibility that goldentalk would use another payment processor instead of Liberty Reserve for the payments to come perhaps?...
Are you sure you can access LR website now? Then I think now the site is open to only European members. It's down among asian countries, so bdsurf, I and other members cannot access it now.

dinos1
Are you sure you can access LR website now? Then I think now the site is open to only European members. It's down among asian countries, so bdsurf, I and other members cannot access it now.
It is down again right now, but when I posted that message it was up and it was working with no problems... Well, then, I guess it may be again a bandwidth problem.. It usually stalls when it is morning in India and evening in the US, Canada etc... Now it is the opposite, night in India and afternoon in the US.. Has this been happening again on other days or just today?

lemon_1800
About the original topic, Now I strongly believe LR security is not as good as other processors like paypal or alertpay. It just creates panic among members who kept huge funds in it. They should be little responsible to save their customers' money.