Snuffleupagus

Yes, it does. Hence my filter comment. It is easy to detect garbage posts in the first few words.

In the case of that thread the filtering would have shown there were some games being played there to get people to invest and also trying to lure into their own forum to gain an upper hand. However, that was caught by a few sharp mods and members there. In fact, while reading this forum I noticed one of those people is a member here. ;) Some very good questions were being asked, but not really answered well.

What it comes down to is if someone says we make money from Forex then our first reaction should be, show me proof. Without proof of good Forex trading then it is best playing as a Ponzi (timing). Much like an autosurf strategy. Using timing and get your principal out first chance you get and play with the rest. If it is real and good investment then you have played it safe and it will be there tomorrow. If it isn't good then you come away without a scratch.

Note: The reason I specified "good" is I am referring to risk, etc. Even if the trading is proven it doesn't mean they won't blow out the account and run. For example, using very high leverage.

damien_k

Yes...there was a game played by some Udachu's members, not only one, but two or maybe even three (take a look at their forum, they didn't even changed their names...)...I agree completely with it, it's why I logged out....but dont forget that every program has Cheerladers, especially at prelaunch, it's refferal hunting for them, and nothing more, so I think it's dificult to make a decision in such conditions...and I think the game is played by both Cheerladers and Mods over there...I agree too for the questions unanswered, I was for one to ask for answers, and I never had anything of value answered....but again, it's Cheerladers hunting refs, they dont mind about it....
Ther s some more infos at: http://www.hyipdiscussion.com/due-d...erview-rod.html
for what it worth, it didn't really helped me, the only good thing is there s some old members opinion....or try PPCF or Gold Horizons...

Snuffleupagus

I was applauding your post as I read it and then it took a bad turn.

I see nothing pointing to the mods playing a game. They nailed the situation and were trying to bring the truth to the surface.

Yes, the cheerleaders were referral whoring. Speaking of that, you mentioned PCF. Some referral whores hide it better and that is one of them. Think about it and you will see what I mean. PCF also censors thoughts that may go against a program because it will decrease referrals. So I advise caution when reading and posting there because you will not get the full picture and risk having your posts tampered with. I had it happen to me so I know this is true. I am all for logical discussion and this can not be done in a forum or forum section dedicated to a program. Just like the forums for StudioTraffic, PIPS, etc. It is a good rule to keep in mind regarding forums. I try to post in forums in which referral wh0ring is frowned up and I can help others and not have it derailed, censored, etc.

I am very familiar with the forums you mentioned and suggest not using them. PCF for the reasons above. Also I honestly would not trust anything in the HYIPD forum. It lacks balance and leans towards cheerleading, Udachu included. Not just for referral purposes, but also many there get emotionally attached to a program they invest in and lash out at anyone that may point out something negative. Good investing does not involve emotions. I used to be a long time poster there and finally woke up to this going on at HYIPD.

Like I said in my previous post, if returns can not be proven and shown to be done in a sustainable manner then play it like a Ponzi (timing). If there is one thing to take from my post then it is that.

If you really are interested in taking in all information then you may want to look at a past article on my blog and read the comments. You may be surprised. I am not saying this to sell something. Just to read something there that may be related to this thread. ;)

damien_k

yes I agree completely with you, my English is so bad that sometimes it's hard for me to write down what I mean exactly....I linked HYIPD only for the purpose of some additionnal infos, and like I said "for what it worth" and "it didn't really helped me"...the same for PCF and GH....it's a way to collect a maximum of informations, and once it's done it's up to you to filter it all....I'm always trying to collect the more informations I can with the help of forums-blogs etc....
The only thing about what I disagree is this:I'm still thinking there was some personnal intention behind this...their first bad reaction was because of this post if you remember:

and two minutes later the game started:and so on...from page 10....

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showt...t=88432&page=10
For me it has nothing to do with the program, admins reacted to a personnal attack with arguments hardly verifiable (just my opinion)....it's why for me the game was played by both parties....admins should be more objective, they are here in order to "moderate"...
and shouldn't react on personnal emotions....it's perfectly comprehensible to react when someone attacks something you like, and I understand it....

Again, it's just my opinion....I'm not an udachu cheerlader, even if I joined, and I dont have any proof or anything else that the program is real...I just decided to join this one, that's all, and I wont blame anyone but myself if tomorrow.....

and about this:even if returns could be proven, I will play it like a risky business and future "Ponzi" or "scam" or ...., I'm in NSFG-FX-Exp and some programs which seem based on real trading...but even so I know that they are going to dissapear somedays....the only thing I would trust is my own personnal trader, and even here I could still wake up tomorrow with nothing left in my account.....

Sorry for the "bad turn"...and I hope that this time I was able to write down what I really meant

BTW I took a look (a long one) at your blog, and you have some pretty valuable points here, I would recommend to anyone thinking about joining Udachu to take a look...

Regards.
Damien.

visioninvestments

the card is completely free and anonymous !

visioninvestments

TG is a waste of time !
you cant get a real answer there or tell anybody about something. they are always against you from the start. I went beck and read some of the other VIP investors and moderator post replies and I was shocked at how they treat the members there, I sent in a compliant to TG if it did anything,
what a Circus they have there !!

WGEnterprises

I was thinking of investing in this but your right they should add egold for withdraw why do you think they use this go around with the debit card

dawg

the card costs 10 dollars to get, 5 dollars to activate, and 5 dollars per month.

chancer

Dawg, where do you get the information that there is a monthly fee if you are with Udachu?

It's been stated on the Udachu forum, etc. that fees are waived. I could be misinterpreting what is written there though.